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Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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But they did try to hide it. It's in some videos where one of them was trying not to admit they were remotely controlled and that "probably some AI is used"

Balancing or some movement mechanisms could be using AI.

Why would they, though? Aren't those doable just with flat our regular code plus isn't AI slow?

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Actually, I won't be surprised if it turns out that the 40 or so cybercabs were remote-controlled too.

Maybe that's the realistic future of 'self-driving' cars. A teledriver-assisted automous car. It just moves the cab driver from behind the wheel to behind a screen somewhere else.

There's a company in vegas that pilots a rental car to you so you can be picked up anywhere and when you hop out, it drives off. You rent by the hour or something like that

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That was obvious to anyone with any experience with real-world robots. Nice piece of machinery, though. Boston Dynamics' humanoids were clunky electrohydraulic mechanisms borrowed from their horse-type robots. All-electric is now possible and much simpler. Schatft was the first to get this working, and they had to liquid-cool the motors. Don't know if Tesla has to liquid cool. They do that in the cars, so they certai…

I heard the initial walk out was fully automated.

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That was obvious to anyone with any experience with real-world robots. Nice piece of machinery, though. Boston Dynamics' humanoids were clunky electrohydraulic mechanisms borrowed from their horse-type robots. All-electric is now possible and much simpler. Schatft was the first to get this working, and they had to liquid-cool the motors. Don't know if Tesla has to liquid cool. They do that in the cars, so they certai…

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Reminiscent of Nikola's semi truck demonstration...

Or Teslas "battery swap" event which actually helped them earn them a huge amount of subsidies from the government. Watching after understanding Elons m.o. it is clearly fake or how else would they have a planned demo on stage with cameras that aren't positioned to show anything that's going on and then that tech they developed was never heard from again. They just distracted the crowd with a video of someone filling up at a gas station

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We had people swearing up and down that the Cybertruck would never be released because it was stock fraud. They already seem to be at a run rate of $1.5 billion in revenue per quarter despite launching in a limited fashion because of manufacturing ramp up.

I haven't really been tracking this, but aren't they selling at a price much greater than they originially announced? I would classify it as "mixed success"

The base model isn't entering production until next year but is quoted by Car and Driver as starting at $62,985. The original price was supposed to be $39,900. However there has been >20% inflation since then, and the base model should be eligible for the full $7,500 tax credit applied as an instant rebate at purchase time, which was not available at the time of announcement.

All that to say: the price actually paid will be $55,485, vs the inflation adjusted original base model price of $48,912 (possibly higher if there is more inflation before the release next year). So yes, the price you'd actually pay has gone up 13% in real terms over the announcement price. But I think the extra 4 years of delay (for the base model vs the announced availability date of 2021) is the bigger issue.

But ultimately all that matters from Tesla's perspective is that they are selling. My understanding is that even the current top end expensive models are selling about as many units as all other electric trucks combined.

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Tesla is getting closer with tendon-based hands in the next generation of Optimus. Who knows where they will end up.

Elastic tendons seem like a pretty reasonable solution to this problem, but can it be applied to all the joints (like ball-socket, etc.) I wonder? I think the chassis of the robot should also have compliance, humans certainly do have squishy spines. I mean imagine you're on the street and you have to share sidewalk space with these things. Running into it would hurt.

The tendons are as inelastic as possible. The compliance comes from direct drive motors with no gearing (or as minimal as possible).

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I'm also a roboticist. Perception and funding are hard. But don't forget battery energy density, and the power-to-weight ratio and energy efficiency of actuators. Also very very hard, and Moore's law helps not at all. Autonomous cars are in a nice niche since they store vast energy for actuation anyway, it's OK to be heavy, and the controls are relatively simple. They are limited by perception and decision making. Hu…

Tangential question: are there any actuators out there that mimic the animal muscle tissue, i.e. swelling laterally in order to shorten a tendon and pull a joint? This seems like a very elegant method compared to servos with all sorts of slack and rigid positioning. I'm not a roboticist so I'm not familiar with state of the art in actuators.

They exist, but they're inefficient compared to ordinary motors.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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This results in me trusting Tesla less.

If this was fake, how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? They might as well be too to get the stock price up?

There is no way to know. I am really doubting Tesla now. It wouldn’t surprise me that, in order to prevent mishaps during the event, everything is remotely operated…

People will say: that’s not true. But where did Tesla clearly specify this upfront?

I saw the initial fullscreen disclaimer. But that might also apply to the robovans right?

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