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Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by WatchDog »

paul7986 wrote: post #86
slg wrote: post #63

How is stuff like this not considered fraud? This seems much worse to me than Musk's usual Tesla lies in which he is predicting some future capability. At least there is an argument that Musk believed it those at the time he said them or that they were optimistically possible despite being impractical. This seems to be material misrepresentation of the viability of one of the company's core R&D projects that Musk cla…

Didn't OpenAI demo facetime with a H.E.R. like chatbot/AI friend in April? Where is that.. it's not available to anyone I know and was that actual real tech running or just faked demos? The tech playbook is hype even if it's not real and or really exists ... hype it up .. make them pay for the promise of something they think exists but it doesnt. Similar thing here Musk following the technology/startup playbook ... h…

The safety people got a hold of it, but they did end up releasing it, although it refuses to do a lot of simple stuff you ask it to.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by paul7986 »

WatchDog wrote: post #91
paul7986 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't OpenAI demo facetime with a H.E.R. like chatbot/AI friend in April? Where is that.. it's not available to anyone I know and was that actual real tech running or just faked demos? The tech playbook is hype even if it's not real and or really exists ... hype it up .. make them pay for the promise of something they think exists but it doesnt. Similar thing here Musk following the technology/startup playbook ... h…

The safety people got a hold of it, but they did end up releasing it, although it refuses to do a lot of simple stuff you ask it to.

I subscribed twice and felt screwed not going to subscribe again until i see a live in person demo and or a trusted tech news source saying its available to all with a video showing them using it. Is there a recent such tech news report saying and showing such? Be good to see it!

I did startups and played this hype and create fake content/news to boost metrics and saw results. And yet i signed up twice lol

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by slg »

silisili wrote: post #83
slg wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were you at the event or do you have a source for that claim? I have seen video of one of the bots refusing to give an answer to that question and there were multiple articles in the wake of the event that couldn't come to any definitive conclusion so I'm skeptical of this claim of immediate transparency.

Is this the video you saw (posting below, for you and anyone who hasn't seen it). While ignoring the question the first time, he did confirm that they were being assisted by a human. Perhaps not as clear as 'remotely operated', but that's about how I took the answer. YMMV. https://x.com/zhen9436/status/1844773471240294651

No, the one I saw ducked the question multiple times so that video is more informative even if "assisted by a human" is still somewhat vague. I guess they just left what to disclose up to the individual operator making the level of deception dependent on who you happened to ask. Such a bizarre way to handle an event like this, but I guess that type of haphazard approach should be unsurprising for a Musk run company at this point.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by oblio »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #79
kortilla wrote: post #50

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> Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific. Your risk analysis on this is completely wrong. If there is some vetting here this is fine. No different than a babysitter or a handyman off the Internet

Who gets a babysitter off the Internet?

Apparently at least everyone who keeps this website going, at least: https://www.babysits.org/

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by Animats »

That was obvious to anyone with any experience with real-world robots.

Nice piece of machinery, though. Boston Dynamics' humanoids were clunky electrohydraulic mechanisms borrowed from their horse-type robots. All-electric is now possible and much simpler. Schatft was the first to get this working, and they had to liquid-cool the motors. Don't know if Tesla has to liquid cool. They do that in the cars, so they certainly understand liquid-cooled electric motors.

I suspect that body balance and possibly walking were automated. It's hard to balance a teleoperated robot manually, and robotic biped balancing has been working for years now.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by beeflet »

modeless wrote: post #76
consumer451 wrote: post #72

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Right now, 1X and Tesla use entirely different mechanical architectures, don't they? Do you think that Tesla will end up with compliant robots?

Tesla is getting closer with tendon-based hands in the next generation of Optimus. Who knows where they will end up.

Elastic tendons seem like a pretty reasonable solution to this problem, but can it be applied to all the joints (like ball-socket, etc.) I wonder?

I think the chassis of the robot should also have compliance, humans certainly do have squishy spines. I mean imagine you're on the street and you have to share sidewalk space with these things. Running into it would hurt.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by xeromal »

Animats wrote: post #95

That was obvious to anyone with any experience with real-world robots. Nice piece of machinery, though. Boston Dynamics' humanoids were clunky electrohydraulic mechanisms borrowed from their horse-type robots. All-electric is now possible and much simpler. Schatft was the first to get this working, and they had to liquid-cool the motors. Don't know if Tesla has to liquid cool. They do that in the cars, so they certai…

They moved so smoothly, I was impressed

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by oblio »

modeless wrote: post #52

Tesla was not trying to hide this. The robots were telling anyone who asked that humans were helping control them. Unlike the robotaxis, which were explicitly advertised as autonomous.

Awesome, now show me where is the article coverage (which is generally paid PR) that states this upfront and clearly.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by [deleted] »

slg wrote: post #63

How is stuff like this not considered fraud? This seems much worse to me than Musk's usual Tesla lies in which he is predicting some future capability. At least there is an argument that Musk believed it those at the time he said them or that they were optimistically possible despite being impractical. This seems to be material misrepresentation of the viability of one of the company's core R&D projects that Musk cla…

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by beeflet »

ivewonyoung wrote: post #84
modeless wrote: post #74

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Honestly, I don't know why I bother continuing to engage here. HN community, is this the quality of discourse you want to encourage?

We had people swearing up and down that the Cybertruck would never be released because it was stock fraud. They already seem to be at a run rate of $1.5 billion in revenue per quarter despite launching in a limited fashion because of manufacturing ramp up.

I haven't really been tracking this, but aren't they selling at a price much greater than they originially announced? I would classify it as "mixed success"
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