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Post by astrodust »

buro9 wrote: post #29
mryall wrote: post #19

More interesting than a bunch of chatter on Google Plus is this article on Forbes, "Could Steve Jobs actually win his thermonuclear war?": http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/30/could-steve-jobs-actu... I don't think this will be the last of Apple's actions against Android. When Steve said they'd "patented the hell out of" the iPhone, I got the sense he really wasn't joking.

They've patented the hell out of everything that they've done in the last decade with the iPhone, but the very foundations that they stand on have been patented the hell out of by Motorola, Ericsson, Nokia, etc for the decades prior. Standing on someone else's foundations isn't the best place from which to start a thermonuclear patent war.

If it's decades then you're in the clear since patents have a more finite lifespan than copyright.

The initial iPhone patents only have another ten years or so left in them, if that.

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Post by creamyhorror »

gshakir wrote: post #63

Google would do the same if they were in Apple's position. So boycotting does not make sense.

Sure it does. If this boycott turns out to be effective enough, I think companies thinking of doing what Apple did will think twice before doing it.

I doubt it'll actually be effective, but hey, at least it sends a message about how some consumers don't like litigating over software patents.

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Post by briandear »

baby wrote: post #82
zhoutong wrote: post #18

I don't understand why #BoycottSomething should be used for protests. Boycotting an influential company is extremely hard. I'm sure that there are more rational ways to protest, instead of trying to boycott a company that actually delivers some of the best products. No company is perfect and Apple's case is just a tip of an iceberg in the whole industry. http://www.dontmakemesteal.com/ is a good example. We know the…

I extremely disagree with you, a boycott is the perfect weapon again a big brand like apple. People just tell others about it, and it's just really bad for their image.

The average person doesn't care. I'm in this industry and I barely care. Watching Google and Apple is like watching NBA players scuffling over the last bottle of champagne. The average person just wants to use their phone, update their Facebook and find out what Snooki is up too. A boycot organized on a site that the muggles have barely heard of over an issue that they don't give two shits about isn't going to affect Apple's share price one cent. In fact their price will likely rise as the Street sees Apple defending their IP successfully.

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Post by sschueller »

zhoutong wrote: post #18

I don't understand why #BoycottSomething should be used for protests. Boycotting an influential company is extremely hard. I'm sure that there are more rational ways to protest, instead of trying to boycott a company that actually delivers some of the best products. No company is perfect and Apple's case is just a tip of an iceberg in the whole industry. http://www.dontmakemesteal.com/ is a good example. We know the…

Boycotting Apple is very easy. They have a very limited number of products sold in their own stores. Try boycotting Johnson & Johnson or Nestle.

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Post by raganesh »

quink wrote: post #56
taligent wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. Do you use Netflix or Hulu, own a Canon camera, play on your Nintendo, watch TV on your LG, use Skype to chat, connect with Facebook, edit home movies using Adobe Premiere ? Because Google/Motorola could stop ALL of that and so much more.

I'm in Australia. I use Skype to chat and Facebook. If Google or Motorola ever do me as wrong - even indirectly - as Apple has, I'll start /r/boycottgoogle. But they haven't. Not even close.

I'm having trouble understanding this argument. You say Apple has wronged you with this ban on Galaxy Nexus. But the injunction is in the US and you say you live in Australia. How does that affect you?

So maybe you are opposed to Apple by principle; but by the same principle you should be opposed to Google/Motorola, too, as they have got an injunction on a few Apple products in Germany. Are you opposed to Google, too?

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Post by polymatter »

sbuk wrote: post #83
tikhonj wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's the problem, isn't it? Even if Google produces prior art, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did (although I haven't actually looked at the patents so I can't be 100% certain), the injunction would still exist. So yes, there is a well understood process for invalidating patents. And that is, no doubt, going to play a major role in the case. But all that comes after the problem itself--the injunction lasts…

"...instead of being nice..." There is the problem. Apple is a business, it doesn't exist for altruistic reasons. Neither does Google, no matter how vehemently they say that they do. As others have pointed out, there doesn't seem to be a boycott on Google for their part in the attempt to gain an import ban of the XBox or their support of the alleged abuse of FRAND patents, both by their newly acquired subsidiary. App…

> "Apple is a business, it doesn't exist for altruistic reasons."

While true in a strictly short term sense, not being "nice" is the sort of thing that erodes your brand image. One too many of these sorts of stories stick in a consumers head to create a generally negative image, which can be extremely hard to reverse (see Scoda).

And for a luxury company like Apple, brand image is everything.

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Post by raganesh »

possibilistic wrote: post #51
taligent wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. Do you use Netflix or Hulu, own a Canon camera, play on your Nintendo, watch TV on your LG, use Skype to chat, connect with Facebook, edit home movies using Adobe Premiere ? Because Google/Motorola could stop ALL of that and so much more.

But they haven't. Apple is the one making the move here. Let's not forget that.

Not true. Google/Motorola got an injunction against a few Apple products in Germany, a few months back. Apple had to disable push mail feature on its iCloud service, in Germany, to get the products back to market.
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