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Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by nneonneo »

defrost wrote: post #59
kortilla wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific. Your risk analysis on this is completely wrong. If there is some vetting here this is fine. No different than a babysitter or a handyman off the Internet

You're saying then that tools exist to scan and ping all babysiters and handymen across the globe, fingerprint them for version, lookup zero-days, apply them to matching staff, exploit that to monitor children remotely, and take control over home assistants function to shepard children out the door to a "party van" ? That's the ecosystem that surrounds most actual IoT devices - I can't see home robots being any diffe…

The Pied Piper, in robot form.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by consumer451 »

modeless wrote: post #57
consumer451 wrote: post #39

What does everyone think about 1X's NEO? [0] They began from the idea of compliant robotics,[1] which seems to me to be a requirement for safe operation in proximity to humans. Did Tesla make attendees sign a hefty liability waiver, since Optimus is not a compliant robot, or did they address the inherent problems some other way? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUrLuUxv9gE (also remote controlled for now, while be…

Each robot had several human escorts, and the robots were limited to slow walking and a few slow hand gestures. The only danger would be if one fell over. 1x NEO looks awesome and far more advanced than this version of Optimus. I'm bullish on 1x. Tesla has a manufacturing advantage though. There were 50 units of Optimus at the event and I expect that there are only a few fully working units of NEO made so far. Also,…

Right now, 1X and Tesla use entirely different mechanical architectures, don't they? Do you think that Tesla will end up with compliant robots?

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by rvz »

I mean, that should have been obvious to anyone after calling it: [0]

The 'fake it till you make it' fraud will just make everyone building so-called AI companies look bad and heavily faked with events like this.

But there is still time for the Theranos of AI to reveal themselves. (It is not Tesla Inc.)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41805764

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by modeless »

mplewis wrote: post #66
modeless wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each robot had several human escorts, and the robots were limited to slow walking and a few slow hand gestures. The only danger would be if one fell over. 1x NEO looks awesome and far more advanced than this version of Optimus. I'm bullish on 1x. Tesla has a manufacturing advantage though. There were 50 units of Optimus at the event and I expect that there are only a few fully working units of NEO made so far. Also,…

A few generations of what, pretending their robots work?

Honestly, I don't know why I bother continuing to engage here. HN community, is this the quality of discourse you want to encourage?

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by metadat »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #48

[dupe] Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41815567

Hey Chris, thanks for your continued diligence. This is actually a recent and related discussion, as the duplicate status suggests the same article has been posted twice (e.g. slightly altering a URL parameter to escape the HN dupe-detector).

P.s. If you found the content in one article to be better than another, it would be helpful to steer folks towards the more informative one. In this case, the above Bloomberg article is pretty substantial compared to the one you've linked as a "dupe". Take care.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by modeless »

consumer451 wrote: post #72
modeless wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each robot had several human escorts, and the robots were limited to slow walking and a few slow hand gestures. The only danger would be if one fell over. 1x NEO looks awesome and far more advanced than this version of Optimus. I'm bullish on 1x. Tesla has a manufacturing advantage though. There were 50 units of Optimus at the event and I expect that there are only a few fully working units of NEO made so far. Also,…

Right now, 1X and Tesla use entirely different mechanical architectures, don't they? Do you think that Tesla will end up with compliant robots?

Tesla is getting closer with tendon-based hands in the next generation of Optimus. Who knows where they will end up.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by pclmulqdq »

ilaksh wrote: post #61
batch12 wrote: post #25

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Maybe that's the realistic future of 'self-driving' cars. A teledriver-assisted automous car. It just moves the cab driver from behind the wheel to behind a screen somewhere else.

Waymo has been demonstrating fully self driving cars for years. Teslas also do it, and truly necessary interventions are rare these days.

Waymos have some very advanced teledriving features, and it's not clear to me how often the human is involved when you ride a Waymo.

I sort of hope that it's not that often, but I also thought the amazon store was automated.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

modeless wrote: post #74
mplewis wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few generations of what, pretending their robots work?

Honestly, I don't know why I bother continuing to engage here. HN community, is this the quality of discourse you want to encourage?

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by jazzyjackson »

kortilla wrote: post #50
darth_avocado wrote: post #36

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> Is it that bad of an idea? Driving at 60mph with shaky internet connection? Absolutely. Piloting a robot to fold laundry? Maybe not. Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific.

> Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific. Your risk analysis on this is completely wrong. If there is some vetting here this is fine. No different than a babysitter or a handyman off the Internet

Who gets a babysitter off the Internet?

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by gitaarik »

modeless wrote: post #52

Tesla was not trying to hide this. The robots were telling anyone who asked that humans were helping control them. Unlike the robotaxis, which were explicitly advertised as autonomous.

So these robots are not supposed to be autonomous?
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