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Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by pclmulqdq »

stackghost wrote: post #20
mandevil wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, you definitely need people available to intervene even for a L4 or L5 autonomy, because they will get stuck (Tesla is not serious about robotaxis until they start staffing up a team to do that on a full-time basis). But actual driving? This link is way too high latency for that to be safe. The robot needs to be maintaining its own SA, and just calling the human when it doesn't know what to do.

It's amazing to me just how far people will move the goalposts for Elon's perpetual grift. We've gone from "you'll be able to nap on your morning commute in your self driving car within 18 months" to "they will always need a human to intervene". Incredible

Elon Musk has displayed incredible prowess at manipulating modern internet media. He launched "tesla shorts" right when a few big short sellers announced their positions (I believe one of them also put out a report about TSLA being insolvent aside from income from pre-orders, and was proven correct by Musk years later) and SEO-ed them into the ground.

I would assume that several of the pro-elon accounts on most social media are actually either bots or shills. You don't need many shills to get real people interested.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by Philadelphia »

wslh wrote: post #8
ethagknight wrote: post #4

To be honest, the autonomous control of the robot seems like the easier part of the equation. (doing it safely in a room with guests, unguided... thats another matter). The physical limitations and packaging are a big challenge, and I dont think I saw Optimus lift anything remotely heavy.. just pull a beer tap.. a decision that probably speaks volumes about current limits of the technology. To apply my first point to…

> To be honest, the autonomous control of the robot seems like the easier part of the equation. I agree but it is frustrating watching Elon like Michael Copperfield but thinking it is real like a 4 year old. I don't see a clear advantage of Tesla against other competitors if he will launch it in a couple of years.

David Copperfield is the magician’s name, if that’s who you meant

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by pclmulqdq »

modeless wrote: post #52

Tesla was not trying to hide this. The robots were telling anyone who asked that humans were helping control them. Unlike the robotaxis, which were explicitly advertised as autonomous.

Saying otherwise when directly asked would have been an open-and-shut case of securities fraud. They still didn't widely disclose this.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

ratedgene wrote: post #40
vardump wrote: post #38

I think it was fairly obvious from the show that the Optimus bots were remotely operated. Not like they tried to hide it at all. Just listen to the responses of the bots, they practically admitted that. The cars, however, were almost certainly running the latest FSD (or some near future unreleased version).

But they did try to hide it. It's in some videos where one of them was trying not to admit they were remotely controlled and that "probably some AI is used"

Balancing or some movement mechanisms could be using AI.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by foobiekr »

wokwokwok wrote: post #27
quantified wrote: post #2

Surprising absolutely no one, I hope. Credibility seems difficult to generate for Tesla events. Maybe the secret sauce for Robotaxis is a human driver somewhere watching the cameras. Like driving Uber but from the comfort of home, and it's easy to hit the fridge or bathroom between rides.

I mean, shoot me down here, but is it that bad of an idea? If you're going to have an assistant or a taxi driver, and you start off at the base position of "AI is totally unreliable", then having a fully remote gig-worker remotely piloting your robot... I mean, it doesn't seem like a massive stretch from what Uber does. ...and heck, having a 'remote robot body' is pretty cool tech. I guess. As long as you don't use i…

The problem is it was presented in the most manipulative and deceptive way possible.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by modeless »

consumer451 wrote: post #39

What does everyone think about 1X's NEO? [0] They began from the idea of compliant robotics,[1] which seems to me to be a requirement for safe operation in proximity to humans. Did Tesla make attendees sign a hefty liability waiver, since Optimus is not a compliant robot, or did they address the inherent problems some other way? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUrLuUxv9gE (also remote controlled for now, while be…

Each robot had several human escorts, and the robots were limited to slow walking and a few slow hand gestures. The only danger would be if one fell over.

1x NEO looks awesome and far more advanced than this version of Optimus. I'm bullish on 1x. Tesla has a manufacturing advantage though. There were 50 units of Optimus at the event and I expect that there are only a few fully working units of NEO made so far. Also, Optimus has been improving quickly. It's possible Tesla could catch up in a few generations.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by foobiekr »

modeless wrote: post #52

Tesla was not trying to hide this. The robots were telling anyone who asked that humans were helping control them. Unlike the robotaxis, which were explicitly advertised as autonomous.

They didn’t say the extent of the control and the event was engineered to lead people to conclude human involvement was minor.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by defrost »

kortilla wrote: post #50
darth_avocado wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it that bad of an idea? Driving at 60mph with shaky internet connection? Absolutely. Piloting a robot to fold laundry? Maybe not. Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific.

> Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific. Your risk analysis on this is completely wrong. If there is some vetting here this is fine. No different than a babysitter or a handyman off the Internet

You're saying then that tools exist to scan and ping all babysiters and handymen across the globe, fingerprint them for version, lookup zero-days, apply them to matching staff, exploit that to monitor children remotely, and take control over home assistants function to shepard children out the door to a "party van" ?

That's the ecosystem that surrounds most actual IoT devices - I can't see home robots being any different.

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