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Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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Re: Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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How do you "repurpose" a 2m repeater for that?

Swap out all the RF hardware. It's the high level site that matters.

You also need a 5G core to make that work. Also probably an IMS to actually provide some services on top of that. You also need to rip out all the encryption for the ham bands.

Re: Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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> The radio simply plugs into the USB C port on your Android smartphone and transforms it into a fully-fledged handheld radio transceiver. When I saw the headline I was hoping someone had hacked the qualcomm modem and turned it into a software defined radio.

but then it's not a click bait

I doesnt seem to be click bait to me... A battery free ham radio I can keep in my glove box seems really useful

Re: Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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I always ask myself why no any cellphone producer is making a phone with 2m/70cm capabilities.

Anyone that has a real need for something like that is either using either very specialized (and expensive) hardware, or some peripheral solution like TFA. We already have general purpose, mass produced devices that benefit from huge scale, and there's no such scale in amateur radio.

Re: Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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> The radio simply plugs into the USB C port on your Android smartphone and transforms it into a fully-fledged handheld radio transceiver. When I saw the headline I was hoping someone had hacked the qualcomm modem and turned it into a software defined radio.

but then it's not a click bait

I'm not in the market and clicked the link out of curiosity, but yes, I can turn my android phone into a hair dryer if it takes $35 of auxilary equipement.

Re: Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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This is a wacky idea, but the "modern" thing to do would be to repurpose seldom used 2-meter repeaters and make them 5G gNBs in the 3300 to 3450 MHz ham band (which overlaps NR band 78). Then you could directly use your cell phone (with a different SIM card) as your ham radio. Network gaming servers to the gNBs and every kid in the US will want a ham license. https://github.com/srsran/srsran_project

I went down this rabbit hole for a while a few years ago. I think it's doable, but I don't have good answers to a few questions:

  1. How do you get cell phones to automatically identify in a way that satisfies the part 97 rules?
  2. How compatible are modern smartphones with the null encryption cypher?
  3. With fewer and fewer physical sim slots, is it possible for an amateur to produce valid eSIMs? (And is it possible without internet access, such that you could onboard new users during an internet outage?)
As other commenters mentioned, you need a core network too, which means you probably also need an 802.11-based backend network like HamWAN or AREDN plus some servers.

Re: Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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Well, for white pages, it used to be name to phone number lookup, not, you know, physical address, in almost all cases. Yellow pages were different ofc. And the tide against that turned 20 years ago, which congress banned that for cellphones. In any case, sounds like "yes". Not a deal breaker, but concerning. I know folks in my home would be opposed to my doing it.

> not, you know, physical address White pages had physical address too. In practice, even today without published phone directories, lookup from name to address is readily accomplished from public records. If you have put in the effort to avoid all of those vectors, then it's equally possible to use a safe address for your FCC registration.

Sometimes yes, not always, and practice decreased as privacy concerns increased. The old one for our city that was still printed up to about a decade ago did not have them.

And yeah, could probably find some way to spoof.

And yes, people can find things, just makes folks here uncomfortable that it would be readily available to a random nut in a short list linked to a "pseudo" one might be using routinely.

Anyway. It's one more hassle and disincentive. I'm interested in its potential for an emergency out in the woods (I'd be carrying my phone anyway, so a tiny pocket dongle is far less weight than a radio), but if I learn how to use it, I probably won't go for the license.

Re: Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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I wonder how good the range would be. I was thinking that even if I didn't have the appropriate license, having something like this in a pocket on my backpack would at least give me one more signaling option in an emergency. I could deal with the fines later.

VHF / 2m is basically line of sight. But it will go for long distances. I've worked the repeater on the ISS with a 5W handheld radio and a 1/4 wave antenna.

VHF is actually pretty good for non line of sight (at least, better than everything higher frequency).

Its not great for over the horizon communication, but its pretty good at getting through trees and other obstacles.

Re: Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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> The radio simply plugs into the USB C port on your Android smartphone and transforms it into a fully-fledged handheld radio transceiver. When I saw the headline I was hoping someone had hacked the qualcomm modem and turned it into a software defined radio.

yep... in short: it uses an ESP32 with a radio module. The Android app communicates over usb serial with a firmware which is Arduino based.

Re: Turn your Android phone into a modern ham radio transceiver

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Heh, ask 10 hams what the whole point of a ham license is and you'll get 10 different answers. I've heard "permission to build" before, but rarely.

Don't have my license yet, but for me it's definitely building homebrew (i.e. designed by me) transceivers. Not actually that interested in talking to other hams except for then testing my gear.

Heh, I'm not that interested in talking, but I am interested in typing. Especially with the advantage of advanced math/error correction, store and forward, relaying, and related. This adds up to a few watts in a $100 radio getting across a country.

Not sure if you mean building or designing and building. But QRP labs has some nice kits.

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