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Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by mtgx » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 10:14 AM UTC

X-Istence wrote: post #89

jclulow wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think suggesting that nobody is hurt by ridiculous injunctions like this is a bit disingenuous. Firstly, consumers are denied the chance to purchase a product that exists; it's been made! It's ready to ship! Sure, you might not want one, but it's certainly possible that other people do. Something else an injuction does is robs a manufacturer of any time-to-market advantage that they may have had releasing the produ…

If consumers want the device they can simply purchase an Apple device. If Google did indeed violate the patents in question the features the user want are available in Apple's products. You mention first-mover advantage ... that is exactly what patents are supposed to grant, you invent something cool, you get a patent on it, and then YOU get exclusivity on that invention for X years so you can recoup your costs of R&…

The slide-to-unlock in Galaxy Nexus is quite different from the one in iOS. I thought patents were given based on a certain implementation of an idea. And yet Apple still won the injunction with that alleged patent infringement.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by mtgx » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 10:17 AM UTC

zhoutong wrote: post #52

pg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the other ways to protest? I don't mean that as a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious.

On a small scale, petitions will work better than a hash tag on a Google-owned website. The person that made the decision is the judge. So a rational way to protest is to protest the decision itself. On a large scale, make something disruptively innovative to fight back. #BoycottApple may work by alarming and reminding Apple of their unethical act (to the crowd). But the effect is small because it has nothing to do w…

You're not going to change a judge's mind by protesting. But you are going to change Apple's nonsense lawsuits if the negative PR keeps building up against them. And that's what these boycotts could achieve if they become large enough.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by esolyt » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 10:18 AM UTC

X-Istence wrote: post #89

jclulow wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think suggesting that nobody is hurt by ridiculous injunctions like this is a bit disingenuous. Firstly, consumers are denied the chance to purchase a product that exists; it's been made! It's ready to ship! Sure, you might not want one, but it's certainly possible that other people do. Something else an injuction does is robs a manufacturer of any time-to-market advantage that they may have had releasing the produ…

If consumers want the device they can simply purchase an Apple device. If Google did indeed violate the patents in question the features the user want are available in Apple's products. You mention first-mover advantage ... that is exactly what patents are supposed to grant, you invent something cool, you get a patent on it, and then YOU get exclusivity on that invention for X years so you can recoup your costs of R&…

Having a patent to a feature does not necessarily mean you implemented it in your products. And besides, what if I want the extra features that Galaxy Nexus has?

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by kristiandupont » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 10:18 AM UTC

X-Istence wrote: post #89

jclulow wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think suggesting that nobody is hurt by ridiculous injunctions like this is a bit disingenuous. Firstly, consumers are denied the chance to purchase a product that exists; it's been made! It's ready to ship! Sure, you might not want one, but it's certainly possible that other people do. Something else an injuction does is robs a manufacturer of any time-to-market advantage that they may have had releasing the produ…

If consumers want the device they can simply purchase an Apple device. If Google did indeed violate the patents in question the features the user want are available in Apple's products. You mention first-mover advantage ... that is exactly what patents are supposed to grant, you invent something cool, you get a patent on it, and then YOU get exclusivity on that invention for X years so you can recoup your costs of R&…

> If consumers want the device they can simply purchase an Apple device. If Google did indeed violate the patents in question the features the user want are available in Apple's products.

This statement is only true if (features that violate patents) == (all features of the product), which is obviously not the case.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by esolyt » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 10:19 AM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #91

X-Istence wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If consumers want the device they can simply purchase an Apple device. If Google did indeed violate the patents in question the features the user want are available in Apple's products. You mention first-mover advantage ... that is exactly what patents are supposed to grant, you invent something cool, you get a patent on it, and then YOU get exclusivity on that invention for X years so you can recoup your costs of R&…

The slide-to-unlock in Galaxy Nexus is quite different from the one in iOS. I thought patents were given based on a certain implementation of an idea. And yet Apple still won the injunction with that alleged patent infringement.

The injunction was actually based on the unified search box patent only.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by woadwarrior01 » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 10:26 AM UTC

quink wrote: post #36

taligent wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am assuming you are going to setup /r/boycottsamsung, /r/boycottgoogle, /r/boycotthtc as well ? Because their FRAND abuses are 1000x worse than what Apple and Microsoft have been doing. When you have governments (FTC, EU) and non-mobile companies (Intel, HP, Cisco etc) complaining you know it's something serious.

> I am assuming you are going to setup /r/boycottsamsung, /r/boycottgoogle, /r/boycotthtc as well ? Samsung have given me a replacement for two monitors that were just out of warranty. They came over and replaced them right then and there. For free. They were just normal 17 inch LCDs. No extra warranty. Google has given me untold GB of emails and made it work just everywhere, even in every text browser. I love Google…

I've had exactly the opposite experience, Samsung denied warranty coverage on a Nexus-S, on the other hand, I've had Apple give me a free upgrade (30 to 60GB) for an iPod classic ~5 years ago, because the lock switch was broken and they changed the keyboard on an out of warranty MacBook about a year ago.

I've bought 3 Apple laptops over the past 4 years because I've had really bad experiences with Dell and HP laptops in the past. From broader perspective, both our experiences are insignificant.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by mtgx » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 10:33 AM UTC

raganesh wrote: post #8

koala_advert wrote: post #2

Not surprising. If it was trending on Twitter that would be news.

I agree. This is a trending topic on a Google property, to protest a court ordered injunction on another Google product. Unless this trends on Twitter or reaches Reddit front page, it is of no consequence.

It did reach Reddit's front page...It's currently on 7th place.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by v0cab » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 10:38 AM UTC

The South Korean government (owned by Samsung) has been blocking and putting up barriers to foreign phones for years, including delaying the introduction of the iPhone to South Korea, to give Samsung and co. a chance to develop competitors.

I'm glad to see the US government blocking a South Korean product for once, if that is indeed what is happening.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by raganesh » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 10:57 AM UTC

davidlumley wrote: post #24

koala_advert wrote: post #2

Not surprising. If it was trending on Twitter that would be news.

Even then, I wouldn't be surprised to find the majority of people hopping on the wagon aren't consumers of Apple.

Well said. Also, I don't remember anyone calling for Boycott of Google/Motorola products & services, when Motorola won an injunction against some Apple products in Germany.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by fauigerzigerk » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 11:00 AM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #62

This is really a non-issue. Tech companies sue each other and get import bans all the time. The victim eventually moves some UI widget three pixels to the right and the import ban is lifted and life moves on. The only real consequence of all this is that lawyers on both sides make a lot of money. Google is not going to stop making Android and Apple is not going to stop making iOS. Both will just advance more slowly b…

I think your last sentence shows exactly why it's not a non-issue as you claim in your first sentence. This nonsense is a drag on the entire economy.

Lawyers working on this issue is the equivalent of Keynes' digging holes and filling them up again statement. It's what makes Keynesianism so short sighted.