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Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by dullcrisp »

stackghost wrote: post #20
mandevil wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, you definitely need people available to intervene even for a L4 or L5 autonomy, because they will get stuck (Tesla is not serious about robotaxis until they start staffing up a team to do that on a full-time basis). But actual driving? This link is way too high latency for that to be safe. The robot needs to be maintaining its own SA, and just calling the human when it doesn't know what to do.

It's amazing to me just how far people will move the goalposts for Elon's perpetual grift. We've gone from "you'll be able to nap on your morning commute in your self driving car within 18 months" to "they will always need a human to intervene". Incredible

I don’t think the person you’re replying to said anything about Elon Musk in this case

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #16
quantified wrote: post #2

Surprising absolutely no one, I hope. Credibility seems difficult to generate for Tesla events. Maybe the secret sauce for Robotaxis is a human driver somewhere watching the cameras. Like driving Uber but from the comfort of home, and it's easy to hit the fridge or bathroom between rides.

Reminds me of a plot of device of the 90's movie Shooting Fish where they were scamming businesses selling an AGI computer but were actually controlling responses with a human in another room.

I mean, that's a classic for literally centuries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk

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Post by batch12 »

b0sk wrote: post #13

Actually, I won't be surprised if it turns out that the 40 or so cybercabs were remote-controlled too.

Maybe that's the realistic future of 'self-driving' cars. A teledriver-assisted automous car. It just moves the cab driver from behind the wheel to behind a screen somewhere else.

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Post by wokwokwok »

quantified wrote: post #2

Surprising absolutely no one, I hope. Credibility seems difficult to generate for Tesla events. Maybe the secret sauce for Robotaxis is a human driver somewhere watching the cameras. Like driving Uber but from the comfort of home, and it's easy to hit the fridge or bathroom between rides.

I mean, shoot me down here, but is it that bad of an idea?

If you're going to have an assistant or a taxi driver, and you start off at the base position of "AI is totally unreliable", then having a fully remote gig-worker remotely piloting your robot...

I mean, it doesn't seem like a massive stretch from what Uber does.

...and heck, having a 'remote robot body' is pretty cool tech.

I guess. As long as you don't use it to pretend its just AI for the meaningless purposes of generating hype about your AI that really isn't actually any good.

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Post by mvdtnz »

mysteria wrote: post #12
ethagknight wrote: post #4

To be honest, the autonomous control of the robot seems like the easier part of the equation. (doing it safely in a room with guests, unguided... thats another matter). The physical limitations and packaging are a big challenge, and I dont think I saw Optimus lift anything remotely heavy.. just pull a beer tap.. a decision that probably speaks volumes about current limits of the technology. To apply my first point to…

I would imagine latency would be an issue if companies were considering teleoperation using staff in a country with cheaper labor. For example I work with people in India and China and they regularly complain about the several hundred ms of latency they get when using their American VDIs. That off the shelf lawn mower is going to be hard to control safely with all that delay, and there's also the risk of connection d…

Don't get me wrong I think this guy's idea is incredibly stupid. But, have you ever operated a mower? They're not fast. A few hundred ms of latency on a mower is no problem at all.

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Post by stevenwoo »

rekttrader wrote: post #6
bdjsiqoocwk wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's AI - Actually an Indian

As I I see the delivery robot do it’s job... a game being played by remote workers doing the Enders game.

You may already know this but Heinlein wrote about waldos pretty early, incorporating it into several stories and books.
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