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Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by possibilistic »

taligent wrote: post #43
quink wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am assuming you are going to setup /r/boycottsamsung, /r/boycottgoogle, /r/boycotthtc as well ? Samsung have given me a replacement for two monitors that were just out of warranty. They came over and replaced them right then and there. For free. They were just normal 17 inch LCDs. No extra warranty. Google has given me untold GB of emails and made it work just everywhere, even in every text browser. I love Google…

Okay. Do you use Netflix or Hulu, own a Canon camera, play on your Nintendo, watch TV on your LG, use Skype to chat, connect with Facebook, edit home movies using Adobe Premiere ? Because Google/Motorola could stop ALL of that and so much more.

But they haven't.

Apple is the one making the move here. Let's not forget that.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by zhoutong »

pg wrote: post #34
zhoutong wrote: post #18

I don't understand why #BoycottSomething should be used for protests. Boycotting an influential company is extremely hard. I'm sure that there are more rational ways to protest, instead of trying to boycott a company that actually delivers some of the best products. No company is perfect and Apple's case is just a tip of an iceberg in the whole industry. http://www.dontmakemesteal.com/ is a good example. We know the…

What are the other ways to protest? I don't mean that as a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious.

On a small scale, petitions will work better than a hash tag on a Google-owned website. The person that made the decision is the judge. So a rational way to protest is to protest the decision itself.

On a large scale, make something disruptively innovative to fight back.

#BoycottApple may work by alarming and reminding Apple of their unethical act (to the crowd). But the effect is small because it has nothing to do with Apple's product quality and customer service. If no one buys Apple products any more, we won't necessarily be better off.

That said, I think Apple seriously doesn't have to go this far. If they have the energy to continue innovating there shouldn't be any fear.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by saket123 »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #49
lunchbox wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're opposed to boycotts? Or are you criticizing this boycott because it's not (yet) big enough to influence Apple? Lots of boycotts have been successful throughout history, and most of them started small.

Yes. A trending G+ topic is basically equivalent with Rosa Parks. /s. When was the last time an e-petition led to actual change, because I've seen dozens of them signed by huge numbers of people and never any with a tangible effect. But mostly, who honestly thinks Apple is going to change their policy based on a trending topic on G+, they're probably laughing hysterically at it. Pigs will fly before this translates i…

Did you forget about SOPA, when the community united against restrictions forced upon it. It was a silent protest , mostly through petitions.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by saket123 »

taligent wrote: post #33
saket123 wrote: post #6

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Its surprising because it has stayed their for 2 days. Also most of the technological world (including HN community, based on previous discussion) loath the present patent war which could stifle software innovation based on stupid patents. I wil say Google plus is reflecting the sentiments of Technology Community more then any other social network out there.

Be serious. Google+ we know has a high percentage of technologically savvy users and in particular Android users. I would be surprised if it wasn't a popular topic on there. But it is no way reflective of (a) the general public or (b) the entire IT community.

The general public does not matter here. This is a technology subject. IT community matters here. As far as entire IT community is concerned I am pretty convinced based on discussions before on HN and other blogs that IT community believes that patent system needs reforms. Taking legal decisions based on broken law is equivalent to injustice.

EDIT : Care to explain why you down-voted this comment?

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

saket123 wrote: post #53
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. A trending G+ topic is basically equivalent with Rosa Parks. /s. When was the last time an e-petition led to actual change, because I've seen dozens of them signed by huge numbers of people and never any with a tangible effect. But mostly, who honestly thinks Apple is going to change their policy based on a trending topic on G+, they're probably laughing hysterically at it. Pigs will fly before this translates i…

Did you forget about SOPA, when the community united against restrictions forced upon it. It was a silent protest , mostly through petitions.

Yes, I didn't really think about that. However I think a threat to open speech on the Internet and an injunction against a single type of smartphone are likely to evoke a different reaction. If we have every news organization talking about an Apple boycott in a week, I'll happily eat my words.

I'll say it again just to C(M)A, I am no fan of Apple doing this and would love to see them accept Android as a competitor instead of trying to litigate-secure their position.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by quink »

taligent wrote: post #43
quink wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am assuming you are going to setup /r/boycottsamsung, /r/boycottgoogle, /r/boycotthtc as well ? Samsung have given me a replacement for two monitors that were just out of warranty. They came over and replaced them right then and there. For free. They were just normal 17 inch LCDs. No extra warranty. Google has given me untold GB of emails and made it work just everywhere, even in every text browser. I love Google…

Okay. Do you use Netflix or Hulu, own a Canon camera, play on your Nintendo, watch TV on your LG, use Skype to chat, connect with Facebook, edit home movies using Adobe Premiere ? Because Google/Motorola could stop ALL of that and so much more.

I'm in Australia. I use Skype to chat and Facebook.

If Google or Motorola ever do me as wrong - even indirectly - as Apple has, I'll start /r/boycottgoogle. But they haven't. Not even close.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by saket123 »

technoslut wrote: post #30
saket123 wrote: post #20

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>What it shows here is what everyone already knew: that much of Google+ consists of Google fans On the the day New IPad launched , Ipad trended on Google for whole weekend - mostly with people sharing pics of iPad and taking about gorgeous retina display.

Being a fan of Google doesn't mean that you're disinterested in a competitor's product. I'm sure there were Apple forums that had a lot of comments (both positive and negative) regarding the events held by MS and Google.

I will agree with you here about being fan of multiple product. But it should be noticed that when you have millions of users (based on Google IO numbers about G+) biased voices are usually stifled and general consensus emerge.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by lunchbox »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #49
lunchbox wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're opposed to boycotts? Or are you criticizing this boycott because it's not (yet) big enough to influence Apple? Lots of boycotts have been successful throughout history, and most of them started small.

Yes. A trending G+ topic is basically equivalent with Rosa Parks. /s. When was the last time an e-petition led to actual change, because I've seen dozens of them signed by huge numbers of people and never any with a tangible effect. But mostly, who honestly thinks Apple is going to change their policy based on a trending topic on G+, they're probably laughing hysterically at it. Pigs will fly before this translates i…

Every movement has to start somewhere.

If you felt a company was behaving unethically and wanted to boycott it, what would you do? Would your strategy not involve spreading the word to your friends and followers via social media?

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by mythz »

taligent wrote: post #31
quink wrote: post #5

Just started http://www.reddit.com/r/boycottapple/ It's about time.

I am assuming you are going to setup /r/boycottsamsung, /r/boycottgoogle, /r/boycotthtc as well ? Because their FRAND abuses are 1000x worse than what Apple and Microsoft have been doing. When you have governments (FTC, EU) and non-mobile companies (Intel, HP, Cisco etc) complaining you know it's something serious.

1000x worse than than Microsoft's assault on Android for using their own technology and putting a mandatory tax on every on every Android device??
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