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PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by mzronek »

desireco42 wrote: post #6

They do mention WP (Word Press)... I am confused. What exactly this does? I get it takes care of content and they mention Stripe, so that is good. But is this WP compatible layer or this is accidental use of shorthand for something else? It is more like those templates that people use to jumpstart sites, I think this can be very useful. I don't want to sound too complainy over the free code you can get and examine yo…

They seem to recently position themselves as a Wordpress alternative. There is a blog post about migration from Wordpress to Payload including code: https://payloadcms.com/blog/how-to-migrate-from-wordpress-to...

No, it's a Headless CMS, so no frontend themes and templates. They have an official demo page including a frontend, that you can base your work on: https://github.com/payloadcms/public-demo

If you are looking for a Wordpress-clickety click solution with templates, Payload is not a candidate.

Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by vasergen »

mzronek wrote: post #9
attah_ wrote: post #2

So let me get this straight... PayloadCMS is a framework, for Next.js which is a framework for the React framework. Yo dawg, i heard you like frameworks!

A common misconception. React is a library. These are examples for React frameworks: https://react.dev/learn/start-a-new-react-project#production... Next.js is a React framework. If Payload is a framework or not is debatable. I think it's more like a data layer around a database for a any js app and an Admin Panel (that uses Next.js now). It might be called a framework for your own Headless CMS, because it is code fi…

> React is a library

Can a library have compiler?)

Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by robertlagrant »

vasergen wrote: post #12
mzronek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A common misconception. React is a library. These are examples for React frameworks: https://react.dev/learn/start-a-new-react-project#production... Next.js is a React framework. If Payload is a framework or not is debatable. I think it's more like a data layer around a database for a any js app and an Admin Panel (that uses Next.js now). It might be called a framework for your own Headless CMS, because it is code fi…

> React is a library Can a library have compiler?)

That's an optional step for JSX cross-compilation. It's a language plugin; nothing really to do with frameworks or libraries.

Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by aduffy »

jstummbillig wrote: post #10
cle wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes? I think this is great. IMO our goal should be to enable building higher-level abstractions on lower-level ones.

Sure, if the lower level is stable. Nothing in this chain is close to stable.

React is arguably quite stable?

Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by flockonus »

mzronek wrote: post #9
attah_ wrote: post #2

So let me get this straight... PayloadCMS is a framework, for Next.js which is a framework for the React framework. Yo dawg, i heard you like frameworks!

A common misconception. React is a library. These are examples for React frameworks: https://react.dev/learn/start-a-new-react-project#production... Next.js is a React framework. If Payload is a framework or not is debatable. I think it's more like a data layer around a database for a any js app and an Admin Panel (that uses Next.js now). It might be called a framework for your own Headless CMS, because it is code fi…

React started as a library.. at this point it has server side components, and a world of plugins.

As for anything that has patterns of building with, will argue it's a framework.

Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by jstummbillig »

aduffy wrote: post #14
jstummbillig wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, if the lower level is stable. Nothing in this chain is close to stable.

React is arguably quite stable?

RSC was marked stable in Mid 2022 and this major change is still in the process of unfolding through the ecosystem, because of course these things take time. And even though react might be the future, I have a hard time understanding a client side framework that currently becomes more of a server side framework being stable.

Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by thawab »

sroussey wrote: post #3

Would have been nice to post when they released v3 as they are close.

i got excited seeing the post, because i thought v3 was released. For anyone who want's to know more about v3 here is a link: https://payloadcms.com/blog/30-beta-install-payload-into-any...

Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by zztop44 »

jstummbillig wrote: post #16
aduffy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

React is arguably quite stable?

RSC was marked stable in Mid 2022 and this major change is still in the process of unfolding through the ecosystem, because of course these things take time. And even though react might be the future, I have a hard time understanding a client side framework that currently becomes more of a server side framework being stable.

By that standard, nothing is stable. New features are added to HTML, the Linux kernel, x86, PHP, etc all the time. In fact, building on top of higher level abstractions can sometime insulate your application from this change too.

Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by math_dandy »

flockonus wrote: post #15
mzronek wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A common misconception. React is a library. These are examples for React frameworks: https://react.dev/learn/start-a-new-react-project#production... Next.js is a React framework. If Payload is a framework or not is debatable. I think it's more like a data layer around a database for a any js app and an Admin Panel (that uses Next.js now). It might be called a framework for your own Headless CMS, because it is code fi…

React started as a library.. at this point it has server side components, and a world of plugins. As for anything that has patterns of building with, will argue it's a framework.

React is a FEBEFUIRT - a FrontEnd/BackEnd-Fluid UI RunTime.

Re: PayloadCMS: Open-Source, Fullstack Next.js Framework

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Post by nerveband »

The pitch alone on PayloadCMS shows that this is still a developer-focused CMS. Just look at the difference between the github page, the Payload website, and wordpress.org's landing. This is not purely a marketing difference but a strategic conversation.

I'm all about transitioning CMSes and yet WordPress has got the turnkey part of their open-source platform clear and easy to understand. You can self-host or choose a provider. Payload doesn't make that clear, it's either too dev-centric for running or wants you to "Schedule a Demo" (which is a way to capture enterprise dollars).

What about more consumer-friendly pitches and deployments? Any recommendations on that?

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