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Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by Dylan16807 »

singleshot_ wrote: post #248
Dylan16807 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that rare situation, we do not at all need every student calling out. Why is it "a great reason"?

Well, in order to have _any_ children calling out, at least one of them would have to have a phone. One great reason for not banning phones is to increase the chances that at least one student has one.

We don't even have to get into how some students would still have phones, because of all the teacher and staff phones and wired phones in almost every room.

Even in the shooter situation, there's no need for student phones.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by ruthmarx »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #241
ruthmarx wrote: post #238

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Nah. What's true for you isn't true for everyone. If I go on a date in a high end restaurant and hit it off with my date, I might want to show her something briefly or look up something, and we would both be on bored with it and having a good time. In that case, the phone is enhancing the experience, not taking away from it.

> What's true for you isn't true for everyone. That is why I said "a lot", not everyone. Your "Nah." is not true, by your own argument . > briefly There is a reason I said "or minimal". That's minimal.

The problem with your point is your making an unwarranted assumption about most people.

It's no different from insisting someone would like a variation of something they have no interest if they would only try it.

Or to put it in simpler terms, you seem to think you know better than "a lot" of people.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by ruthmarx »

exe34 wrote: post #240
ruthmarx wrote: post #237

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You've only clicked them by accident? No that doesn't count as using, it's just hard to believe. It's like the people who have worked in IT for 20 years but 'never used Windows'.

I only use windows as a dumb terminal to access my Linux system remotely. I'd require a significant payrise to consider using windows as a daily driver.

Not talking about using it as a daily driver, just contrasting your claim that you have never used twitter with the people who claim to have never used windows over a 20 year period of working or hobbying in IT.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ruthmarx wrote: post #252
Dylan16807 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's true for you isn't true for everyone. That is why I said "a lot", not everyone. Your "Nah." is not true, by your own argument . > briefly There is a reason I said "or minimal". That's minimal.

The problem with your point is your making an unwarranted assumption about most people. It's no different from insisting someone would like a variation of something they have no interest if they would only try it . Or to put it in simpler terms, you seem to think you know better than "a lot" of people.

> unwarranted assumption about most people

I said a lot. Not most.

> It's no different from insisting someone would like a variation of something they have no interest if they would only try it.

You shouldn't push people to do things, but as an objective true or false question, it's true a lot of the time.

> Or to put it in simpler terms, you seem to think you know better than "a lot" of people.

Are you implying that such a thought is obviously wrong?

It's not.

I can list a thousand topics where enough people disagree that many of them have to be wrong. People are wrong all the time. "A lot" of people being wrong about something is the default for most situations.

I'm not saying which specific people are wrong, that is beyond my abilities. I'm talking statistics, and I think there's plenty of evidence for it.

Edit: Also, you distracted me from the far more obvious answer, desires are complicated! Someone can want to use their phone and also want to avoid interruption. So they might have picked the same thing I would pick, zero "knowing better" involved.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by netsharc »

Spooky23 wrote: post #159
drdaeman wrote: post #144

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> If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. I'm not so sure if this is true. No clue about kids, but if I'm (personally) stuck at the office and I'm really not feeling like working, I can literally stare at a wall daydreaming rather than do something. And the contrary is also true - if I'm "stuck" at some fancy place with lots to do (like home, lol) but fe…

It’s more than that. You sitting in your living room watching Netflix instead of working is different than a classroom. In a classroom environment, once one kid is futzing around on their phone, others follow. That creates issues for the teachers who end up policing behavior instead of their jobs. You also have the obvious issues with cheating. When I was the president of a school board, a subset of active and vocal…

> citing a desire say goodbye to their kids in the event of a school massacre

Hah, let's play the "Guess the country this person lives in" game...

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by BlueTemplar »

naming_the_user wrote: post #45

It really can't be underestimated either for children or adults how much we are dependent on ease of access. If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice. A phone? A phone is everything else. You're putting "the thing we are supposed to be doing" and "everything else" in…

It's not just smartphones, same thing can happen with any computer connected to the Internet, any computer NOT connected to the Internet (video games), a television, radio or even a Walkman (the last 3 typically not being an issue for the classroom for obvious reasons, but still potentially a tempting distraction to not do whatever you are supposed to be doing). Heck, even books / magazines can become that in some situations.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by Sammi »

Spooky23 wrote: post #234
EasyMark wrote: post #200

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It’s not hard to have a little checkin locker by the teacher’s desk as kids come in. Just make sure they turn the sound off before sliding it into it’s temporary home

Nah, that’s disruptive. You are going to waste 5 minutes at the start and end of every 40 minute class futzing with phones. I think it has to be in the locker. Kids who don’t have lockers yet, no phone.

In the article they explain that they don't have the authority to take away a phone from a student, but they do have the authority to tell the student to put it away or leave it at home, and that this is enough to enforce the phone ban.

No need to take any students phone away from them.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by Mistletoe »

oblio wrote: post #119
Mistletoe wrote: post #76

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At the school by me every day is a line that stretches for blocks of parents picking up their kids at 3pm. All of these cars and human time was previously handled by a school bus and one driver.

Why does this craziness happen?

I think the reporting of bad things has gotten intense through social media and parents don’t know or realize that we are living in the safest era ever.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-...

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by BlueTemplar »

aithrowawaycomm wrote: post #50
docfort wrote: post #2

I don't dispute the facts in the article, but this question kept popping up in my mind: how do they define reading time? I mean, in a too-pedantic sense, smartphone screen time is roughly divided into reading, viewing (photos/videos), and gaming. Given that they are not allowed to take the phones, it seems unlikely that the school knows a student's primary usage mode. For example, a student could be reading a bunch o…

Speaking for myself (a grown-up) I do read a lot on my phone, but it's almost all "brain junk food" like Hacker News comments :) instead of something which slowly develops a complex idea like a book.

Yeah, same issue here.

Even worse is the plague that are PDFs, for instance for science papers, the reading of which is a miserable experience due to too big fixed pages (lack of reflow).

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by UltraSane »

naming_the_user wrote: post #45

It really can't be underestimated either for children or adults how much we are dependent on ease of access. If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice. A phone? A phone is everything else. You're putting "the thing we are supposed to be doing" and "everything else" in…

I sometimes wish I could be locked in a room until I get a master's degree in Math.
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