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The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by nicksergeant »

ceejayoz wrote: post #18
xyst wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep it simple dude. All they get is a basic device with text/RCS and call capabilities. I would be okay with giving a kid just a smart watch. No social media or smart phones until 16 y/o. Also making sure kids have friends in their community is a plus. Involve them in school programs, help guide them as they find their interest. For love of god, don’t give your kid an unlocked iPad with YT/TT/FB/Twitch/kick.

> Also making sure kids have friends in their community is a plus. A lot of them coordinate hangouts via social media, unfortunately. It’s a tough balance.

Yup. This is what I see missing from all the non-parents or parents of kids under 10 on HN. Once middle school hits their whole friend/support system is probably on SnapChat and if you're not on there, you're instantly excluded from everything.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by winterbloom »

nkrisc wrote: post #19
000ooo000 wrote: post #2

Curious how tech-oriented parents here are approaching TikTok et al with their kids. My kid isn't walking yet, but for when the time comes, I'm not sure how I'll limit exposure to what I'd call "pure trash", but also give them freedom and the ability to 'fit in' with (inevitably) the rest of their friends using this stuff.

My kid is 7. He has a Linux desktop he can use whenever he wants with no internet access from his user account. My wife and I abandoned all social media and we’ll probably get him a dumb phone when the time comes. I’ve heard the stuff some of his friends with more internet permissive parents parrot from YouTube and stuff and honestly it’s frightening. As for the good stuff that’s actually out there, I download for co…

If you do that, your kid won't fit in and will be a social outcast

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

nkrisc wrote: post #19
000ooo000 wrote: post #2

Curious how tech-oriented parents here are approaching TikTok et al with their kids. My kid isn't walking yet, but for when the time comes, I'm not sure how I'll limit exposure to what I'd call "pure trash", but also give them freedom and the ability to 'fit in' with (inevitably) the rest of their friends using this stuff.

My kid is 7. He has a Linux desktop he can use whenever he wants with no internet access from his user account. My wife and I abandoned all social media and we’ll probably get him a dumb phone when the time comes. I’ve heard the stuff some of his friends with more internet permissive parents parrot from YouTube and stuff and honestly it’s frightening. As for the good stuff that’s actually out there, I download for co…

> My wife and I abandoned all social media

...I'm sorry, I have to point out, you're posting this on what is basically a social media site.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by toomuchtodo »

winterbloom wrote: post #22
nkrisc wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My kid is 7. He has a Linux desktop he can use whenever he wants with no internet access from his user account. My wife and I abandoned all social media and we’ll probably get him a dumb phone when the time comes. I’ve heard the stuff some of his friends with more internet permissive parents parrot from YouTube and stuff and honestly it’s frightening. As for the good stuff that’s actually out there, I download for co…

If you do that, your kid won't fit in and will be a social outcast

But at least they’ll be functional with a potentially positive trajectory vs their peers.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by nox101 »

My friends with young kids 3-11 all let their kids use iPads. All of the kids seem well adjusted, able to read (a worry I saw), etc. I have no idea what limits they have but the kids are social, they don't hide on their iPad when people visit but instead interact with the parent's friends.

The point being, unlike lots of comments here, I haven't seen any evidence of ill effects of young kids have access to electronics. I have no idea what these parents do and what limits they place, only that they didn't need to ban electronics from their kids lives to raise good kids.

Of course it's anecdata. One family, 2 daughters, 5 and 8. Another, son 11. Another son 11, daughter 7. Another, daughter 3.

I have also seen the opposite. Kids who can't function if their screen is taken away and are anti-social. But given the other kids, it doesn't seem to be the screen that's the problem.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

Geeek wrote: post #15

I am obviously a bit early, as my oldest is only 7, but my wife and I decided to force ourselves to delay getting our kids (7 & 4) their own media device, such as an iPad and go straight to a laptop when it becomes a necessity in school. My 7 year old, with immense attention issues, is obsessed with reading and being creative, I could not imagine her being at her reading level if she had an iPad or some other form of…

My daughter has an iPad (we limit to 2 hours of screens) but she also loves reading and will read for hours a day.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by nytesky »

nicksergeant wrote: post #21
ceejayoz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also making sure kids have friends in their community is a plus. A lot of them coordinate hangouts via social media, unfortunately. It’s a tough balance.

Yup. This is what I see missing from all the non-parents or parents of kids under 10 on HN. Once middle school hits their whole friend/support system is probably on SnapChat and if you're not on there, you're instantly excluded from everything.

Imagine growing up without a phone in the 90s. That’s what these Luddite patents are advocating. It’s hard.

We actually have banned social media until 16, but fortunately iMessage was the defacto coordination and we accepted that.

No TikTok until adults, for a host of reasons.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by cjonas »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #23
nkrisc wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My kid is 7. He has a Linux desktop he can use whenever he wants with no internet access from his user account. My wife and I abandoned all social media and we’ll probably get him a dumb phone when the time comes. I’ve heard the stuff some of his friends with more internet permissive parents parrot from YouTube and stuff and honestly it’s frightening. As for the good stuff that’s actually out there, I download for co…

> My wife and I abandoned all social media ...I'm sorry, I have to point out, you're posting this on what is basically a social media site.

It's not an advanced algorithmic feed designed with the sole intent to consume as much of you attention as possible...

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by threeseed »

highwayman47 wrote: post #16
surgical_fire wrote: post #10

Is any ad-fueled corporate social media any different? Talking about shit such as Twitter, FB, Instagram, etc. I mean, they all use underhanded tactics and psychological tricks to keep you hooked and scrolling, TikTok is far from being a sole evil here.

Agreed, TikTok is just the best at it; plus it is the only viable non-US threat to US tech giants, therefore it’s the villain.

TikTok isn't remotely a threat to any of the US tech giants.

And the idea that Meta has never been considered a villain is just laughable.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by Geeek »

nox101 wrote: post #25

My friends with young kids 3-11 all let their kids use iPads. All of the kids seem well adjusted, able to read (a worry I saw), etc. I have no idea what limits they have but the kids are social, they don't hide on their iPad when people visit but instead interact with the parent's friends. The point being, unlike lots of comments here, I haven't seen any evidence of ill effects of young kids have access to electronic…

>I have no idea what limits they have.

I think that's the key part here.

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