Gene Sharp: A dictator's worst nightmare • Hacker News Board

Re: Gene Sharp: A dictator's worst nightmare

#81

Post by Peaker » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 8:09 AM UTC

accountswu wrote: post #78

Peaker wrote: post #75

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> Do you know that home-made Palestinian rockets have killed less than 50 people in decades? Now this is an outright lie. Please try to remain honest in this debate, it is full of enough misinformation. The rockets are not home-made. They are Grad BM-21's, military-grade improvement of the Katyusha rocket. The reason they don't kill many Israelis is because Israel builds bomb shelters and every Israeli home has one.…

>It's hard to take your argument seriously when you are repeating these propaganda talking points, and that's where I stopped reading. You are repeating Israeli military's propaganda. You are justifying the deaths of thousands of Palestinians and crying crocodile tears over Qassam rockets. Life is sacred, my problem is that I consider every single life sacred. To me the terrorism that kills tens of thousands (by nucl…

The post you're replying to is completely factual.

His claim was an oft-repeated lie. I corrected it. Apologizing for lies is a litmus test for an honest debater. There's no point debating someone who would lie and when corrected, would yell "propaganda" instead of apologizing.

Re: Gene Sharp: A dictator's worst nightmare

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Post by accountswu » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 10:43 PM UTC

Peaker wrote: post #80

accountswu wrote: post #77

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>Now this is an outright lie. No Sir, you're BSing. I showed dozens of links that document the racism, apartheid and murder of "the other" that your state is carrying out and you seem to justify it. Show me how many people have been killed by Qassam or other rockets, show me a time period when Israel did not kill 4-10 times more people than killed by primitive rockets. > because Israel builds bomb shelters Israel ref…

You've just dodged the subject and went on to talk about something else. Will you first admit that your claim about "home made" rockets or small amount of deaths are inaccurate and misleading? There's no point in debating with someone who's made up his mind and only then goes looking for evidence to justify it.

There is no point debating with an apologist of an ethno-religiou-racist state. You blatantly say that non-Jews should not be allowed to return while Jews should continue to migrate there. Is there any argument left?

Here are your statements for reference:

>If Israel allowed the descendants to enter ("Return" is really an inaccurate word choice given that most of them were never in Israel) it would destroy it."

>Jews are not returning to Israel -- they are being welcomed in Israel, in an act of voluntary consent between the two sides.

You don't have a problem with the murder of tens of thousands (by Israelis) and you are crying about a few dozen murders (by Palestinians).

Again, I am copying my request for evidence: >>No Sir, you're BSing. Show me how many people have been killed by Qassam or other rockets, show me a time period when Israel did not kill 4-10 times more people than killed by primitive rockets.

Show a link or apologize for exaggerating the terror of Qassam / whatever rockets, and apologize for justifying the terror of Israeli nukes, F-16s, white phosphorus, cobra gunships.

Re: Gene Sharp: A dictator's worst nightmare

#83

Post by accountswu » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 10:44 PM UTC

Peaker wrote: post #81

accountswu wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's hard to take your argument seriously when you are repeating these propaganda talking points, and that's where I stopped reading. You are repeating Israeli military's propaganda. You are justifying the deaths of thousands of Palestinians and crying crocodile tears over Qassam rockets. Life is sacred, my problem is that I consider every single life sacred. To me the terrorism that kills tens of thousands (by nucl…

The post you're replying to is completely factual . His claim was an oft-repeated lie. I corrected it. Apologizing for lies is a litmus test for an honest debater. There's no point debating someone who would lie and when corrected, would yell "propaganda" instead of apologizing.

Which lie are you pointing to and what did you correct? Read the response above and post a reliable link that shows what you claim.

Re: Gene Sharp: A dictator's worst nightmare

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Post by Peaker » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 11:10 PM UTC

accountswu wrote: post #82

Peaker wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've just dodged the subject and went on to talk about something else. Will you first admit that your claim about "home made" rockets or small amount of deaths are inaccurate and misleading? There's no point in debating with someone who's made up his mind and only then goes looking for evidence to justify it.

There is no point debating with an apologist of an ethno-religiou-racist state. You blatantly say that non-Jews should not be allowed to return while Jews should continue to migrate there. Is there any argument left? Here are your statements for reference: >If Israel allowed the descendants to enter ("Return" is really an inaccurate word choice given that most of them were never in Israel) it would destroy it." >Jews…

You said "home-made" rockets. True or false?

Re: Gene Sharp: A dictator's worst nightmare

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Post by Peaker » Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 11:11 PM UTC

accountswu wrote: post #83

Peaker wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post you're replying to is completely factual . His claim was an oft-repeated lie. I corrected it. Apologizing for lies is a litmus test for an honest debater. There's no point debating someone who would lie and when corrected, would yell "propaganda" instead of apologizing.

Which lie are you pointing to and what did you correct? Read the response above and post a reliable link that shows what you claim.

Claiming Grad rockets are "home-made" and implying they are not a deadly threat (when in fact the reason they killed few people is the Israeli warning system and extensive bomb shelters).

Re: Gene Sharp: A dictator's worst nightmare

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Post by accountswu » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 9:39 PM UTC

Peaker wrote: post #84

accountswu wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no point debating with an apologist of an ethno-religiou-racist state. You blatantly say that non-Jews should not be allowed to return while Jews should continue to migrate there. Is there any argument left? Here are your statements for reference: >If Israel allowed the descendants to enter ("Return" is really an inaccurate word choice given that most of them were never in Israel) it would destroy it." >Jews…

You said "home-made" rockets. True or false?

You support Israeli murder and terror, I oppose all murder and terror. Yes, I called them homemade rockets. They are primitive rockets, many of them are literally homemade.

http://boingboing.net/2009/01/15/how-homemade-rockets.html

These homemade rocket attacks are terror attacks and they are evil and they have killed about 50 people. If one values one non-Jewish life as equal to one Jewish life, the Israeli terror attacks on Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians are far more evil because Israelis have killed tens of thousands, they usually claim 4-10 times more lives, sometimes 100 times more lives in any given time period; the Israeli terrorist attacks have rained down precisely guided missiles on hospitals, schools, food depots, flour mills and chicken farms.

Again, I am copying my request for evidence:

>>No Sir, you're BSing. Show me how many people have been killed by Qassam or other rockets, show me a time period when Israel did not kill 4-10 times more people than killed by primitive rockets.

Re: Gene Sharp: A dictator's worst nightmare

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Post by accountswu » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 9:50 PM UTC

Peaker wrote: post #85

accountswu wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which lie are you pointing to and what did you correct? Read the response above and post a reliable link that shows what you claim.

Claiming Grad rockets are "home-made" and implying they are not a deadly threat (when in fact the reason they killed few people is the Israeli warning system and extensive bomb shelters).

See the response above that starts with >You support Israeli murder and terror, I oppose all murder and terror.

Re: Gene Sharp: A dictator's worst nightmare

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Post by Peaker » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 11:17 PM UTC

accountswu wrote: post #86

Peaker wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said "home-made" rockets. True or false?

You support Israeli murder and terror, I oppose all murder and terror. Yes, I called them homemade rockets. They are primitive rockets, many of them are literally homemade. http://boingboing.net/2009/01/15/how-homemade-rockets.html These homemade rocket attacks are terror attacks and they are evil and they have killed about 50 people. If one values one non-Jewish life as equal to one Jewish life, the Israeli terror a…

Again, you refuse to acknowledge that Grads are used.

You put words into my mouth.

You fail to engage in minimally-honest debate.

This does not belong on Hacker News, and we probably both have better things to do.