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> What "Turkish schools" call it is irrelevant, it adds "colour" to an event Wouldn’t Turkish schools know more what their language’s rules and meaning is better than Hacker News?
Nobody knows anything better than HN, ever.
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In school grammar, "present perfect" is a tense. School grammars are basically tradition, so you can call it whatever you want as long as you agree with long-dead grammarians. Ditto for Turkish - I'm sure it has its own dead grammarians. In modern grammar, "present perfect" is not "close to a tense" - it's a combination of present tense and perfect aspect.
We can say a little more; in traditional grammar, aspect is not a recognized category. Thus, while it is very clear that Latin has a system of three tenses, two aspects, and three moods (counting imperative), traditional grammar assigns it six "tenses": +---------+-----------+------------------+ | tense | aspect | traditional name | +---------+-----------+------------------+ | present | imperfect | present | +-------…
This is not a tense but a grammatical mood, it's called the inferential mood. A bunch of languages have it to distinguish eyewitness accounts from reported speech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferential_mood Verb tense has to do with an action's relationship to time, mood expresses the speaker's relationship and attitude to the action. English is pretty low on moods (indicative, imperative, subjunctive), while oth…
I don't know why people are more interested in labeling it than explaining it. (Although admittedly, they go side by side.)
Every grammatical aspect of "past time with -miş" (which is how I learned it) is the same as the other one, "past time with -di". As in, I cannot think of a sentence where replacing one suffix with the other would result in a syntax error, or any semantic difference other than certainty.
A point of confusion might be verbs made into adjectives using -miş, although I'm having a hard time coming up with many examples where there's an ambiguity between the adjective and the "tense". Doesn't help that the assertive(?) case is without suffix, so "pişmiş" might mean "[it is] [a] cooked [one]" or "[Apparently it was] cooked".
Another point of parallelism between the two past "tenses" is that it's perfectly valid to answer a question in one with the other. (Or is this a general language or tense thing? Hmm.)
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In Bulgarian there is "double inferential" mood, used to relate reported speech about the speaker . Usually used when the speaker got drunk and has no memory of the thing they did. a.k.a. "past forgotten" tense. The double inferential also reflects the fact that the witness account maybe inaccurate/exaggerated either because the witness(es) were themselves drunk or because they knew the speaker cannot dispute their a…
That’s so interesting and also kind of crazy. Do these forms of speech come with their own verb conjugations and so on, making them difficult for people who learn the language as a non-native speaker? What about young children, do they understand it?
This is not a tense but a grammatical mood, it's called the inferential mood. A bunch of languages have it to distinguish eyewitness accounts from reported speech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferential_mood Verb tense has to do with an action's relationship to time, mood expresses the speaker's relationship and attitude to the action. English is pretty low on moods (indicative, imperative, subjunctive), while oth…
(Not directed at the parent comment but the thread in general) I don't know why people are more interested in labeling it than explaining it. (Although admittedly, they go side by side.) Every grammatical aspect of "past time with -miş" (which is how I learned it) is the same as the other one, "past time with -di". As in, I cannot think of a sentence where replacing one suffix with the other would result in a syntax…
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Turkish doesn't have article(s) and "the" is usually very confusing when you first start. But then I learned German too...
How does Turkish handle addressing something like ‘the police’ in sentence structure? (without using anything similar to ‘the’) e.g. ‘The police force has expanded recently in this city.’
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What qualifies as a tense or not depends on your definitions of the term. Different linguists and traditions will have different standards and what is taught in school is often not the terminology used in scientific description - it's actually very common for school teachers to teach things that any linguist would think was downright wrong. But terminology is a choice, not something where it really makes sense to say…
It's very funny as a Spaniard since "verbal tense" in Spanish is literally "verbal time" (tiempo(s) verbal), so it's unequivocally not able to describe things that are not temporal: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiempo_verbal Even more interestingly, that article links in English to the TAM (Tense-Aspect-Mood): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tense%E2%80%93aspect%E2%80%93m...
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My Korean tutor said the same thing about “the”. I said “doesn't it just mean there is only one instance?" and he replied "the police". For the benefit of other folks wanting to follow up the "take off" thing: it's called a "phrasal verb".
Turkish doesn't have article(s) and "the" is usually very confusing when you first start. But then I learned German too...
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Turkish doesn't have article(s) and "the" is usually very confusing when you first start. But then I learned German too...
How does Turkish handle addressing something like ‘the police’ in sentence structure? (without using anything similar to ‘the’) e.g. ‘The police force has expanded recently in this city.’
If I'm talking about a specific police officer, then I'd use "o", which means he/she/it/that.
O geldi -> he/she/it/that arrived.
O polis geldi -> that police arrived.
Ona polis geldi -> police arrived to him/her (his/her place).
polis geldi -> the police (has) arrived.
O bahsettiğin polis geldi -> The police officer you were talking about (has) arrived.