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WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

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Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

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post #68

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WPE contributes to WordPress; Matt is just full of shit on this. It's an excuse, not a reason.

What does WPE contribute? I ask from a place of curiosity. Code, money?

Beyond code and money, both of which I believe they contribute - though apparently not enough to satisfy Matt Mullenweg - you could argue that they offer a very straight forward distribution/adoption channel in terms of straightforward infrastructure.

I hate WP Engine - having had first hand dealings with them after they acquired a company I’d spent tens of thousands of dollar with - but nonetheless I fee like there’s probably a pretty strong argument that simple straightforward Wordpress hosting means more people use Wordpress which strengthens the overall ecosystem.

When I first started using Wordpress there was a steep learning curve to get it configured correctly on hosting where stuff wouldn’t break.

I used to pay someone to do that for me, and when they gave up doing that I moved to Flywheel (which was later acquired by WP Engine) and suddenly all of my previous problems with Wordpress from a hosting perspective vanished.

It just worked and the Flyhweel support team was amazing and would even unofficially support the wider implementation of Wordpress (“I changed this and now that thing has broken… I know it’s not your fault but any suggestions?” “Hey, here’s the problem, plus we have fixed it for you!”)

That made me stick with Wordpress for years and build out more sites in Wordpress and recommend it to friends and clients.

Most small businesses (which represents the majority of Wordpress users) don’t want to have to think about hosting: in the same way they expect their mobile phone service to just work, and email to just work, they need Wordpress to just work.

Whatever issues I have with WP Engine they offer a very straightforward “forget about it” service for running Wordpress which ultimately means more people are likely to use it.

Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

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Wordpress banned forks from the plugin directory a while ago, so they're doing what they ban everyone else from doing. https://make.wordpress.org/plugins/2021/02/16/reminder-forke...

It’s not a premium plugin.

Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

#113
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That one of Matts claims. Personally I suspect the actual trigger was WPE removing Automattic's affiliate key from WooCommerce and costing them $m/y of revenue.

Our attempts at resolving trademark issues with WPE predate our discovery of the attribution removal.

What do you mean by “trademark issues”? Is this about the WP in the WPEngine’s name? If yes, what about other companies in a similar position?

Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

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post #91

To me, WordPress used to be the thing you used if you wanted a website that was easy to put together but was full of third party php spaghetti code and security holes. Now, it's completely radioactive.

Absolutely. I moved a big revenue generating content site away from Wordpress about 18 months ago. With this absurd debacle going on, I’m so glad I made that decision.

Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

#115

You make an opensource project, provide hosting services, then others take your project, modify it for their needs, cut into your hosting market share and then you try to get rid of them. ...What was the end game plan?

He didn't make shit, wordpress is a fork of b2/cafelog.

Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

#116

Wordpress banned forks from the plugin directory a while ago, so they're doing what they ban everyone else from doing. https://make.wordpress.org/plugins/2021/02/16/reminder-forke...

It’s not a premium plugin.

It has premium features, it may be a grey area, but that makes it a premium plugin IMO.

Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

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Even if they find a middle ground to this mess that Matt has created, I very much fear that the damage to the community is done and it's only a matter of time before the popularity of the once famous platform that almost everyone uses in one way or another collapses.

It sounds a bit similar to when Drupal faded to obscurity during the Larry Garfield sage. Of course there is a long run up that finally explodes with a high profile issue, but the writing could be on the wall for WordPress.

Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

#118

Wordpress banned forks from the plugin directory a while ago, so they're doing what they ban everyone else from doing. https://make.wordpress.org/plugins/2021/02/16/reminder-forke...

It’s not a premium plugin.

Wordpress did not fork the plugin. They just took ownership of the plugin.

Wordpress removed all premium features after the hijacking of the plugin.

https://plugins.trac.wordpress.org/changeset?new=3167679%40a...

Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

#119
post #30

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As far as I've understood, the copyleftness of the Wordpress's GPL tainting themes and plugins is or at least has been controversial (I'm not in the WP community, but have read stuff regarding this drama). Wordpress itself uses React and other non-GPL licensed software in the core that yes, may be GPL-compatible but doesn't enforce everything to be GPL'd. When it comes to themes and plugins, I'd consider that userspa…

In Linux, not even in user space: ZFS is developed as a kernel module rather than mainline Linux kernel because of its incompatible with GPL license. Or Nvidia's Linux driver aren't even open sourced. Well AMD has proprietary Linux drivers too, but they have an open sourced one also.

Not detracting from the point you're making, but the kernel side for Nvidia drivers for Linux is published on GitHub, by Nvidia. The userspace side is still delivered as pre-compiled binaries, tough.

Re: WordPress.org's latest move involves taking control of a WP Engine plugin

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You make an opensource project, provide hosting services, then others take your project, modify it for their needs, cut into your hosting market share and then you try to get rid of them. ...What was the end game plan?

Automattic was an early investor in WPE in 2011, but then they made a mistake and sold their shares.

In addition, the GPL allows you to do what you mentioned. You can take any GPL-licensed code and use it for commercial purposes without having to contribute back. The license is designed to protect you in this way, and it aligns with the spirit of GPL. Expecting something in return for open-sourcing code is not in line with the spirit of GPL and open-source software. If you're not comfortable with other people making money from your code, it's best not to open-source it.

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