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Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by switch007 »

kijin wrote: post #10

Your bed needs to be breathable. That's the single most important thing. A cool bed without proper ventilation will attract condensation and mold, and make you feel damp. A good spring mattress sitting on top of slats will never get uncomfortably hot or cold in any particular spot, because air moves freely in and out, powered by your own body movements. The mattress should also be as firm as you can tolerate. A firm…

Trouble is the spring mattress manufacturers kept reducing quality to achieve a price point and then people needed the extra comfort they took away, for cheap, so hot, foam toppers became the norm.

If you want an all-natural, chemical-free, traditional hand-made pocket-sprung mattress you’re looking at £3-6k here in the UK. But I agree they are the pinnacle of mattresses, ticking every box

Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by kijin »

globular-toast wrote: post #17
kijin wrote: post #10

Your bed needs to be breathable. That's the single most important thing. A cool bed without proper ventilation will attract condensation and mold, and make you feel damp. A good spring mattress sitting on top of slats will never get uncomfortably hot or cold in any particular spot, because air moves freely in and out, powered by your own body movements. The mattress should also be as firm as you can tolerate. A firm…

I'll add to this I find a wool blanket/duvet to be so much better than polyester/plastic. When I use plastic duvets in hotels etc it feels like I'm wrapped in a plastic bag.

Completely agreed. Natural fibers like wool and cotton help moderate humidity by quickly absorbing moisture and slowly letting it evaporate.

Synthetic fibers can be designed to channel moisture away from your skin instead of trapping it, but they can't absorb any. Besides, I doubt that hotels use sportswear-grade stuff in their duvets.

Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by avidiax »

samtho wrote: post #13

> […] I was put off by the product due to the now-mandatory paired subscription ($200/yr with purchase, annually paired only, can cancel after) […] It is both confusing and fascinating how some companies manage to put out a product with a subscription, the existence of which defies logic and consumer expectation, and yet they manage to find a group of people who tolerate it.

This is the new venture capital model. Everything must be (or come with) a subscription.

It's a way to take an area that has low technological innovation (little reason to buy next year's cooling mattress, which is the same as last year's mattress) and turn it into recurring income.

As a bonus, all the smart features that you bundle into the subscription are also the personal data of people with high disposable income. You can now make money twice.

Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by crooked-v »

switch007 wrote: post #20
noelwelsh wrote: post #19

I feel that the vast majority of people should not need an elaborate setup to sleep well. If you need to spends hundreds or thousands of currency units on a setup beyond a basic bed, there is something wrong that could probably be fixed in a simpler way.

Right. If people are overheating at night during relatively normal temperatures, it’s probably a medical/diet issue or something in the bed is making you over heat, such as stupid foam.

I think there's a simpler explanation for a lot of people: they like sleeping under a big fluffy comforter or a heavy quilt or so have you for weight/texture reasons, but don't want to cool down the entire house just to make that comfortable.

Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by coreyh14444 »

noelwelsh wrote: post #19

I feel that the vast majority of people should not need an elaborate setup to sleep well. If you need to spends hundreds or thousands of currency units on a setup beyond a basic bed, there is something wrong that could probably be fixed in a simpler way.

Consider Northern Europe. We live in Copenhagen and approximately zero percent of apartments have air conditioning. Personally, I sleep like crap for 3-4 weeks out of the summer and I'm totally going to try this next Spring.

Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by amarcheschi »

switch007 wrote: post #20
noelwelsh wrote: post #19

I feel that the vast majority of people should not need an elaborate setup to sleep well. If you need to spends hundreds or thousands of currency units on a setup beyond a basic bed, there is something wrong that could probably be fixed in a simpler way.

Right. If people are overheating at night during relatively normal temperatures, it’s probably a medical/diet issue or something in the bed is making you over heat, such as stupid foam.

i've bought a moderately expensive, very comfy foam bed which is however much hotter than my previous absolutely cheap 20yr old spring mattress...

I'm apalled by the fact that in 20 years we have regressed rather than improved on the temperature aspect of mattresses

Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by muro »

globular-toast wrote: post #18
JackMorgan wrote: post #4

I was just about to buy almost this exact setup! Excellent to see it's effective. I thought I was mad looking into fish tank coolers. I was thinking though skipping the evaporative cooler and going with a compressor model. Quite a bit more expensive but I think it'll be more effective in the humid North East. I have realized over the years that I need to be seriously cold to sleep well. My health watch always registe…

What room temperature are we talking? I used to think I could not be too cold at night, until recently I lived in a place that was seriously cold (basically no insulation). Turns out there is a limit! Room temp would easily drop below 15 degrees, often closer to 10!

Sounds like Australia in winter, further inland and south...

Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by JackMorgan »

globular-toast wrote: post #18
JackMorgan wrote: post #4

I was just about to buy almost this exact setup! Excellent to see it's effective. I thought I was mad looking into fish tank coolers. I was thinking though skipping the evaporative cooler and going with a compressor model. Quite a bit more expensive but I think it'll be more effective in the humid North East. I have realized over the years that I need to be seriously cold to sleep well. My health watch always registe…

What room temperature are we talking? I used to think I could not be too cold at night, until recently I lived in a place that was seriously cold (basically no insulation). Turns out there is a limit! Room temp would easily drop below 15 degrees, often closer to 10!

I definitely sleep really good with a thin sheet down to 60F/15C. Below that, yeah I'll put in a blanket.

For reference in 2022 I winter hiked the southern half of the AT, and it was below freezing every night for months. I did have a sleeping bag, but I slept great! I curse/blame my Scandinavian genes. Too pale for the equatorial sun and sleep like a furnace all night.

Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by JackMorgan »

musicale wrote: post #6
JackMorgan wrote: post #4

I was just about to buy almost this exact setup! Excellent to see it's effective. I thought I was mad looking into fish tank coolers. I was thinking though skipping the evaporative cooler and going with a compressor model. Quite a bit more expensive but I think it'll be more effective in the humid North East. I have realized over the years that I need to be seriously cold to sleep well. My health watch always registe…

A reviewer on reddit complained that the airweave wore out after a year, which is disappointing given the price. How long have you had it?

I would be disappointed as well!

I got it a year ago, still feels like new. However, I got the very thin Japanese futon model, and my partner and I are both under 145lb/65kg so that probably goes a long way. I could definitely see a heavier load compressing the coils permanently.

I did see this on their FAQ page:

"Up to what individual body weight is ideal for an airweave? We have tested our mattresses for individuals up to 220lbs. At this weight or lower, you should expect to use your mattress for 10-15 years. For any individuals above 220lbs you may see body indents and wear sooner"

I also see that the warranty is good for only 3 years for the futon model, which leads me to believe I'll be shopping for a new one in 2 years. That's... Not a long time for the fairly steep price of $2600.

When this wears out, I'll probably go back to a thin cotton futon, that's my second favorite. I only got the Airweave because my last cotton futon got moldy because it's so humid here it never gets to dry out.

Re: The 1/8th Sleep

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Post by at_a_remove »

tasuki wrote: post #14
chairmansteve wrote: post #12

Great hack! I do a cold shower before bed. Often helps. You can start the shower warm and then slowly reduce the temperature.

Wow. I do cold showers too, but never before bed. It'd wake me up!

The method works, and I am going to elaborate on it a little. As the poster said, start warm, work your way down to cool, then cold. Very cold.

But what really seems to kick one off to dreamland is not drying your hair, instead putting a towel down on your pillow. As your hair dries, you'll get some more evaporative cooling strictly for your head, and that helps even more

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