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Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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Isn't this essemtially the approach to image recognition etc. that failed for ages until we brute forced it with bigger and deeper matrices? It seems sensible to extract features and reason about things the way a human would, but it turns out its easier to scale pattern matching purely done by computer.

This is Sutton's Bitter Lesson : https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~eunsol/courses/data/bitter_lesson...

From the PDF - "One thing that should be learned from the bitter lesson is the great power of general purpose methods, of methods that continue to scale with increased computation even as the available computation becomes very great. The two methods that seem to scale arbitrarily in this way are "search" and "learning".

The second general point to be learned from the bitter lesson is that the actual contents of minds are tremendously, irredeemably complex; we should stop trying to find simple ways to think about the contents of minds, such as simple ways to think about space, objects, multiple agents, or symmetries. All these are part of the arbitrary, intrinsically-complex, outside world. They are not what should be built in, as their complexity is endless; instead we should build in only the meta-methods that can find and capture this arbitrary complexity. Essential to these methods is that they can find good approximations, but the search for them should be by our methods, not by us. We want AI agents that can discover like we can, not which contain what we have discovered. Building in our discoveries only makes it harder to see how the discovering process can be done."

Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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If you want to play with FLUX.schnell easily, type the prompt into a Pollinations URL: https://pollinations.ai/p/a_donkey_holding_a_sign_with_flux_... https://pollinations.ai/p/a_donkey_holding_a_sign_with_flux_... https://pollinations.ai/p/Minimalist%20and%20conceptual%20ar... It's incredible how fast it is. We generate 8000 images every 30 minutes for our users using only three L40S GPUs. Disclaimer: I'm behind Pol…

The "only" word sounds quite expensive for most of us.

Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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I just cancelled my Midjourney subscription, it feels like it's fallen too far behind for the stuff I'd like to do. Spent a lot of time considering using Replicate as well as Ideogram.

never used midjourney because it had that signature look and bad with hands, feet, letters crazy not even a year has past since Emad's downfall a local open source and superior model drops which just shows how little moat these companies have and are just lighting cash on fire which we benefit from

It’s very easy to turn off the default Midjourney look.

Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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Yeah, I get that completely, I'm the same way. I just think it's interesting. It's kind of the same argument as piracy, since most people wouldn't pay for what they download if it wasn't free.

What is different in this case is that large companies are very likely looking to replace artists with ai, which is a huge potential impact. Piracy never had such risks

I think this will only happen if you could selectively replace parts within an image selectively and reliably. There are still major problems even in Photoshops genaI application. For example, it is not possible select the head of a person on a picture and then type "smile" to make the face smile. We might get there eventually.

Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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That example you gave is a good reason why artists get pissed off IMO. The LLM is clearly aping some artists specific style, and now missing out on paid work as a result. Not sure I have an opinion on that, technology marches on etc, but it is interesting.

I understand your point, but in 0% of all cases would I hire an artist to create imagery for my personal blog. Therefore, I would think that market doesn't exist.

However, the blogs or newspapers or print outlets that used to hire them hired them because you couldn’t- it was a differentiator.

That differentiator is gone, and as such won’t pay for it anymore. They’ll just use the same AI as you.

This destroys the existing market of the artist.

To be clear, my comment isn’t meant as a judgment, just as market analysis.

Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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post #52

I just cancelled my Midjourney subscription, it feels like it's fallen too far behind for the stuff I'd like to do. Spent a lot of time considering using Replicate as well as Ideogram.

never used midjourney because it had that signature look and bad with hands, feet, letters crazy not even a year has past since Emad's downfall a local open source and superior model drops which just shows how little moat these companies have and are just lighting cash on fire which we benefit from

Flux has a signature look too, it’s just a different one.

Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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https://imgur.com/ayAWSKr Prompt: frozen cyan peach fuzz, with default settings on a first generation SD model. People _seriously_ do not understand how good these tools have been for nearly two years already.

You can do this dynamically with Pollinations URLs too: https://pollinations.ai/p/frozen_cyan_peach_fuzz?seed=1 https://pollinations.ai/p/frozen_cyan_peach_fuzz?seed=2 https://pollinations.ai/p/frozen_cyan_peach_fuzz?seed=3 Disclaimer: I'm behind Pollinations.AI

can do this with any image generation model.

Disclaimer: I'm not behind any

Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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post #41

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I understand your point, but in 0% of all cases would I hire an artist to create imagery for my personal blog. Therefore, I would think that market doesn't exist.

However, the blogs or newspapers or print outlets that used to hire them hired them because you couldn’t- it was a differentiator. That differentiator is gone, and as such won’t pay for it anymore. They’ll just use the same AI as you. This destroys the existing market of the artist. To be clear, my comment isn’t meant as a judgment, just as market analysis.

I think it does not take into consideration how much thought and expertise goes into design work. Have a look at the recent controversy about the live-action shooter "concord" that failed spectacularly mainly due to bad character design.

Here are two videos that explain that well. I don't think I would ever be capable of designing with that degree of purpose given a generative AI tool.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVyXUMJLzE0 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eymH15AfAU

Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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I guess it's optimized for artsy images?

They almost certainly did DPO it, so that would have an effect. It was also probably just trained more on professional photography than cell phone pics. I’ve found it odd how there’s a segment of the population that hates a shallow depth of field now, as they’re so used to their phone pictures. I got in an argument on Reddit (sigh) with someone who insisted that the somewhat shallow depth of field that SDXL liked to…

As a DoF "hater", my problem with it is that DoF is just the result of a sensor limitation (when not used artistically etc.), not some requirement of generating images. If I can get around that limitation, there's very little motivation to maintain that flaw.

In the real world, if I see a person at the beach, I can look at the person and see them in perfect focus, I can then look at the ocean behind them and it is also in perfect focus. If you are an AI generating an image for me, I certainly don't need you to tell me on which parts of that image I'm allowed to focus, just let me see both the person and the ocean (unless I tell you to give me something artsy :)).

Re: FLUX is fast and it's open source

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Non-commercial is not open-source, because if the original copyright holder stops maintaining it, nobody else can continue (or has to work like a slave for free). Open-source is about what happens if the original author stops working on it. Open-source gives everyone the license to continue developing it, which obviously means also the ability to get paid. Don't call it open-source if this aspect is missing. Only the…

Doesn’t open source mean the source is viewable/inspectable? I don’t know any closed source apps that let you view the source.

Open source usually means that you are able to modify and redistribute the software in question freely. However between open and closed, there is another class - source-available software. From its wikipedia page:

> Any software is source-available in the broad sense as long its source code is distributed along with it, even if the user has no legal rights to use, share, modify or even compile it.

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