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The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by Dylan16807 »

singleshot_ wrote: post #198
kelnos wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While they're at school, they can use the phone in the school's main office to call home if there's an emergency. Smartphones can be left in a locker (or somewhere else inaccessible during the school day) for use on the way to school and home if something happens.

It can be challenging to make your way to the school’s office once the facility has been taken over by an armed gunman, which is a great reason for kids to have comms at all times, if not one that commonly arises.

In that rare situation, we do not at all need every student calling out. Why is it "a great reason"?

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Post by sheepscreek »

beowulfey wrote: post #165
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #155

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> If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. I would literally doodle, stare out a window, zone out daydreaming, or anything else other than read a textbook I didn't want to read for one reason or another, or pay attention to a teacher for that matter. Yes, it is anecdotal, but I'm sure we've all been children before, and even if you didn't do it, people ar…

Yes, exactly right. And there are many students less likely than that to zone out, and many more likely to zone out. But if you give them a tool to aid in being distracted, it will encourage all of them to not pay attention. It really is a question of likelihood

This. With a phone handy, it’s tempting them into not paying attention, at the very least. The best of intentions can be undone by poor or misaligned incentives. And a phone (and a computer to a lesser extent) provides us with the incentive (easy access) to procrastinate indefinitely. Those of us with a limited will power stand no chance.

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Post by jmb99 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #128
philwelch wrote: post #73

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That’s just socializing with other kids, not being preyed on by an abusive game industry.

It was still a form of abuse, just not backed by multimillion corporations. Boys will be boys, but it’s less toxic when it’s in real life with kids you actually know and can see, vs. anonymous strangers over Xbox Live.

I would argue the opposite is true. I would much prefer some faceless stranger to trash talk me over the internet, who will disappear from existence in 30-40 minutes, than have the same happen from someone I actually know and have to interact with on a daily basis.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by exe34 »

piva00 wrote: post #110
exe34 wrote: post #93

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I use my phone to look up words/concepts/references all the time while reading - I couldn't do without it, flipping through a dictionary or walking up to a computer to read a quick Wikipedia intro to a concept/person/place/etc would just get me far more distracted.

Nonetheless I did it all the time as a kid and it was fine using a dictionary. Is it much easier on a phone? Absolutely, but then I also get caught up reading the etymology, looking up on Wikipedia the Greek roots of the word, ending up at some Greek wars' battle in 500BC and what's the current geopolitical situation of the region, how did they vote on the last Greek Parliamentary election, etc. For my curiosity it's…

outside of work, I read for entertainment about 70% of the time I'm not doing biological necessities. I don't see the problem with the scenario you've outlined.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

fragmede wrote: post #123
xuhu wrote: post #102

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In the daily downtown crawl at 5PM I count about one in four drivers on their phone. Is there a way to tell apart the adaptive cruise control cars from the ones without ? ACC is the only way I can explain why there isn't a crash every 5 minutes.

ACC won't engage under 25 mph. The reason for the lack of crashes might be that driving isn't that hard for most people.

Or at least, driving at very slow speeds with no pedestrians around doesn't require much attention.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ruthmarx wrote: post #177
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #58

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> What would be the point of a no smartphone section in a restaurant? It elevates the experience. Going back to the class thing [1], cell phone on the table or cell-phone use during dining is a noticeable thing between e.g. Michelin-starred restaurants and diners. (And I’m only counting N > 1 tables.) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41820633

> It elevates the experience. For who? Not for the people who might want to use one, and for the people who get annoyed seeing someone else using one, that's their problem.

> Not for the people who might want to use one

A lot of the people that might want to use one would in fact have a better experience if there was zero or minimal phone use at their table.

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Post by _qbxi »

lemoncookiechip wrote: post #155
naming_the_user wrote: post #45

It really can't be underestimated either for children or adults how much we are dependent on ease of access. If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. If you are stuck in a room and you have a math textbook and a novel you now have a choice. A phone? A phone is everything else. You're putting "the thing we are supposed to be doing" and "everything else" in…

> If you're stuck in a room and the only thing you can do is read a math textbook you are going to do it. I would literally doodle, stare out a window, zone out daydreaming, or anything else other than read a textbook I didn't want to read for one reason or another, or pay attention to a teacher for that matter. Yes, it is anecdotal, but I'm sure we've all been children before, and even if you didn't do it, people ar…

> I would literally doodle, stare out a window, zone out daydreaming, or anything else other than read a textbook I didn't want to read for one reason or another, or pay attention to a teacher for that matter.

Being bored allows for creativity and problem-solving. You might not do well at that specific subject (eg, math if you never pay attention in math class). But you might do something with some other area of your life.

Constant distraction/consumption means never doing anything of value.

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Post by Thorrez »

oblio wrote: post #119
Mistletoe wrote: post #76

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At the school by me every day is a line that stretches for blocks of parents picking up their kids at 3pm. All of these cars and human time was previously handled by a school bus and one driver.

Why does this craziness happen?

I seem to recall the bus taking much longer than my mom coming to pick me up. Also my mom wanted to spend more time with me, talking in the car.
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