What tense do they use in news or something you're fairly certain is fact but you didn't witness it yourself?
In the news they use "known past tense", like "gel-di". The article above mentiones "learned past tense", like "gel-miş".
Turkish language has a gossip tense
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It would probably be fun to read some original mathematical texts in arabic if you could. I would say that since modern turkish didn't come into being until the founding of the republic, you really do lose the historical context. I would love to learn ottoman turkish one day...
Actually there is no such thing as Ottoman Turkish, it is still Turkish with heavily borrowed phrases. It is not a distinct language. You won’t have any hard time understanding the spoken Turkish in Anatolia of that time. So called Ottoman Turkish was mostly limited to the government and literature use. Here is a recording of “Ottoman Turkish” from that time. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fmNl4gcufBU&pp=ygU0RXNraSBrY…
I'm too out of practice to really engage at this level. But actually, I meant I would like to learn the Ottoman Turkish of government and literature. I obviously can't go back in time and converse with the Anatolian turks and if I could, I might prefer to also have some Greek and Armenian in my toolbox...
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#83Bulgarian has even more of these.. like whether one believes/trusts in what sh/e is (quoting of) being said (by someone else), and the like - "Dubitative" forms..
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#84I learned French because I moved to another country, and I was learning verb conjugations by regularly looking at the (very long) conjugation table. One day I just randomly looked at the table of verb conjugations in my mother tongue, Turkish, and I couldn't believe it, it's many times longer than the one in French! The fact that there are so many things I use in daily life without much effort has shown me how wonder…
Yeah! Turkish is a very agglutinative language, much more than languages like English or French. This makes Turkish richly packed with meaning but also very complex.
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It is a tense. It’s literally taught as “learned past tense” in Turkish schools. It’s similar to present perfect tense of English.
What qualifies as a tense or not depends on your definitions of the term. Different linguists and traditions will have different standards and what is taught in school is often not the terminology used in scientific description - it's actually very common for school teachers to teach things that any linguist would think was downright wrong. But terminology is a choice, not something where it really makes sense to say…
Sure, I don't disagree that it has multi-dimensionality in terms of semantics. But, it signifies time. When you use "gossip tense" on a verb by itself, it always signifies that something happened in the past, there is no ambiguity about it. How is that this kind of unmistakable representation of time escapes from being a tense is a mystery to me. I'd love to be corrected if I'm missing anything.
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#86I know very little about speaking Turkish but one interesting thing I learned recently is there's a different word for aunt and uncle depending on if it's your mom or dad's side.
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#87Turkish is one of my favorite languages I've learned, and one of the best languages for a language learner. I think it's great for learners for two reasons: first of all, the grammar and orthography is extremely regular, and probably more importantly is that in my experience turkish speaking people are more than happy to engage is extended small talk about anything, are extremely eager to understand you despite your…
As a German speaker, I understand those issues. I currently learn Spanish, and I'm always amused by how regular everything is. In German, words constantly get split up and change positions in the sentences when you say something slightly different. Du sprichst Deutsch. Sprichst du Deutsch? Vs Hablas Español. ¿Hablas Español? Also, most Germans don't like speaking German with people who don't speak it well. Probably,…
And in French...
Tu parles français
Tu parles français ?
Parles-tu français ?
Est-ce-que tu parles français ?
I guess it's the best of both worlds.
The French like to hear foreigners speak French though, they're just terrible at understanding accents they don't hear often and terrible at adjusting their speech so the other person understands them. And too self conscious about their English accent to speak English.
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#88I know very little about speaking Turkish but one interesting thing I learned recently is there's a different word for aunt and uncle depending on if it's your mom or dad's side.
Slavic languages do that too
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#89I know very little about speaking Turkish but one interesting thing I learned recently is there's a different word for aunt and uncle depending on if it's your mom or dad's side.
I think that might be quite common. In Swedish we have morbror/farbror (literally mother-brother/father-brother) and moster/faster (mother's sister/father's sister). It's similar for grandparents.
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#90I know very little about speaking Turkish but one interesting thing I learned recently is there's a different word for aunt and uncle depending on if it's your mom or dad's side.
There is even a dedicated word in Turkish to describe the relationship between the husbands of sisters :)