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Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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What is the Russian narrative? How to give consideration for something that is not even meant to be sensical?

Ah... NATO expansion? Alleged discrimination against the Russian majority in Eastern Ukraine? Alleged foreign interference in the Maidan revolution? Not that I'm trying to start a discussion here, but dismissing the other side's arguments as "not even meant to be sensical" is exactly what I was arguing against.

That's a good list of Russian-fueled narratives that have little to no grounds in reality - as a kind way of saying they're lies and conspiracy theories.

> NATO expansion?

You seem to have forgotten all the agreements, charters, and memorandums the Soviet Union and Russia signed stating that Sovereign Countries are entitled to their own alliances and strategic partnerships. You also seem to have forgotten that even Putin hinted at Clinton the idea of Russia joining NATO. Regarding Ukraine, the population only started to care to join NATO after 2014, but started to trend since the invasion of Georgia.

Even Gorbachev himself - the man who was allegedly involved in that so-called "no NATO expansion" myth said it was a lie and a myth[0]. I didn't even make logical sense to have such a red line.

> Alleged discrimination against the Russian majority in Eastern Ukraine?

So you invaded and annex a country in a genocidal war based on "alleged discrimination"? Who did something similar to this... ah yeah... Nazi Germany also made up some discrimination stories about ethnic germans being under threat by polish people.

> Alleged foreign interference in the Maidan revolution?

Another conspiracy theory and lie... God forbid Ukrainians having the capacity to revolt against a president who turned his back on Ukrainians will to join the EU, in exchange for a deal under the table with Russia that no one knew the terms of.

Oh and by the way, the US wanted Yanukovich to remain president - it was the overwhelming majority of the parliament that didn't want the corrupt fellow in power any longer.

At least get your facts straight, with a little bit of research you can get access to this information.

[0]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rPnAlbYfa7E

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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I would say that the Cuban Missile Crisis, indeed, would not have constituted a good reason to invade Cuba. US foreign policy during the Cold War was often pretty indefensible. But there’s still a number of things about this situation that make the comparison flimsy. The relationship between the west and Russia was - and actually still is - significantly less tense than the relationship between the Soviets and the we…

> Ukraine was not made a member of NATO - it hadn’t even applied. At no point did Russia even rattle any sabres, offer red lines, or pursue diplomacy. I don't think you're paying attention. Bush's invite of Ukraine and Georgia into NATO in 2007 (against the opinion of France and Germany) was probably a cause of Russian invasion into South Ossetia. And just about recently a newly chosen top NATO chief has been promoti…

> I can hardly imagine how could Russians be clearer about opposing NATO expansion.

That's a very confusing statement because Russia signed agreements, charters and memorandums that clearly stated that every country is entitled to their own economic and defensive alliances.

So it's not clear at all - and even if it was clear, then it should become imperative to have Ukraine join NATO as soon as possible to make it blatantly clear that Russia can't dictate what other sovereign nations choose for their economic and defensive alliances.

The real question is: why aren't Russians questioning and making their government accountable for not following their agreements and destroying decades of diplomacy for the sake of one man?

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb

Stop. You know very well that depleted uranium rounds are neither nuclear weapons nor dirty bombs and claiming so only creates confusion. The US' military usage of DU (not just in ammunition but also armor) has been controversial and you're free to critique it, but that's not what you're doing. Instead you lied and created these fictional "nuclear weapons" that the US is supposedly spreading everywhere, which is just…

> nor dirty bombs

Tell that too kids in Iraq and Serbia suffering from deformities. https://www.icbuw.eu/en/the-problem/scientific-data/

> created these fictional "nuclear weapons" that the US is supposedly spreading everywhere

In the current war in ME there's unverified accusation of US allies using EU (enriched uranium) weapons. Time will tell. https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/is--israel-...

> depleted uranium are neither nuclear

OK. I guess, you could say these weapons are enabled by the nuclear energy / weapons industry.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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That’s because he is manipulating you with scare tactics, much like virtually every other topic. Great Depression 2! Dog eaters! Rapists! Every other sentence is an appeal to fear.

Not really. I can see through his nonsense like the Haitians comment was hilarious. But if I’m choosing between a politician that says nuclear war is a high existential risk and talks about ending wars, and his opponents who seem to get off on prolonging them, I have no problem making that choice.

It’s very sad to voice support for a man you believe is actively lying to you and your peers. That, to me, feels like hatred for your own politically affiliates even.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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The entire purpose of nuclear armaments is to make certain wars too nasty to fathom engaging in. If their organization didn't exist at all, we'd still have exactly the same number of nuclear war casualties since the 1940s.

The net result of this has enabled nuclear powers to engage in asymmetric wars against countries that don't have nukes, or to engage in proxy wars between nuclear superpowers. Meanwhile, we heave come perilously close to nuclear armageddon, with Stanislav Petrov standing in the way.

So make everyone a nuclear power?

(Considering what's been happening in Ukraine and Palestine I would like for the Netherlands to obtain nukes. If we ever get invaded we can at least take out 50 million of the enemy with us to hell).

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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All those examples are from a single ancient culture. Why did you pick only from that culture?

They are quotes from the most important text of our Western culture, the sacred scripture of the world's largest religion.

Texts that idiots humans take at face value are no more useful then stories of Santa Claus.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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I recently went to the Hiroshima museum. I had originally thought that people simply vaporized when the bomb hit, but that is not the case. The museum shows how people's skin simply sloughed off and some were holding parts in their hands as they walked around to find their loved ones. But the worst part was radiation poisoning. Many that did not initially get hit and burned directly went towards the center of the cit…

As an addition (and correction) to this, powerful thermonuclear weapons don't vaporize anyone either. They are targeted for high-altitude airbursts and kill through a combination of burns and building collapse, plus secondary fires, infection and breakdown of emergency services. The majority of the victims would not die an instant death. For more information: https://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.html

There are multiple lethal effects from nuclear weapons, and a person inside the 100 million Celsius fireball itself (TK-radius), yes, will be vapourised.

Fireball size depends on weapon yield. For a 1 MT weapon, the radius is roughly 870m, at 5 MT ~1010m, at 150 KT, about 250m.

Most US nuclear weapons yield between 600 to 2,200 KT (0.6 to 2.2 MT).

Whether or not individuals are within the fireball radius depends on the height of detonation, parameters of the nuclear explosion itself (shaped nuclear charges are theoretically possible, though I'm not aware whether any present weapons are designed as such), and of course the local population density.

Outside the fireball, the principle lethal mechanism is the shock wave, though thermal pulse can still provide severe burns, and initial and fallout radiation can also be lethal, though over longer periods (hours, days, weeks, or more).

Effects generally fall with the inverse cube law. Larger weapons also experience an inverse cube effect, such that a one thousandfold increase in weapon yield delivers only a tenfold increase in effects at a given distance.

People may be vapourised, though most within a blast effect area will likely not. They may however be severely burned if directly exposed to the thermal pulse. Near in, other lethal effects, which may be delayed by a few seconds, principally from the blast wave, should predominate.

Air-burst attacks would likely decrease vapourisation. Penetrating / shaped charges would have markedly different and highly directional effects.

Major Kong would not have felt a thing.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Well if it was possible, it would be an alternative. But it's not, period. Counting on it happening in your life time is simply preposterous. But you know what might collapse during your lifetime? Our civilization. Pretty likely.

> But it's not, period. Said every dipshit Luddite 50 years ago about basically everything we enjoy on a day to day basis.

Says everyone who actually checks what 4.25 light-years means and understands that this is actually the closest star.

But I'm always happy to be classified as "disphit" by people who apparently replace their lack of physic knowledge with some kind of faith.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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God, spare the world from nerds and their game theories. There have been enough nuclear trigger close calls already.

> spare the world from ... game theories I don't think this point of view is at all defensible. The "game theory" I am referencing is the most basic thing, the very foundation of that discipline, and if you don't think it is applicable, I posit the following scenario: Consider the Cold War-era state of affairs (because we seem to be heading back that way, at least a little bit), with the following variations: A. Nucl…

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Except that's not a direct quote from Arakhmiya - now is it? Rather, it's a characterization of what he said -- whose original provenance seems to be difficult to track down, and there are conflicting versions available, which of course got copy-pasted all over in both left- and right-wing outlets (as well as by the Kremlin of course). But both Johnson and Arakhmiya have strenuously denied this characterization in an…

Original provenance was Ukrainska Pravda. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2022/05/5/7344096/ At some point a name was put to the anonymous source, could be one of the many journalists who have investigated this quote, as you yourself admit there are lots of sources on this topic. But that single quote aside, it's not like they're saying this in secret. Even Victoria Nuland and Foreign Affairs said some version…

The Foreign Affairs investigation (probably the most detailed of any) suggested multiple reasons for the breakdown of the process. For the purpose of this thread, the main takeaway is that it squarely rejects the "sabotage" theory, stating:

   The claim that the West forced Ukraine to back out of the talks with Russia is baseless.
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