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The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by DHPersonal »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #6

Glad to see phone bans become more popular. Jonathan Haidt had it on his list of suggestions to parents, to avoid the anxiety generation continuing. He had a longer list but the four big ones were: No smartphones before high school No social media before 16 No phones in schools More free, independent play

Jonathan Haidt has also been critiqued by his peers [1] for looking at the data with a foregone conclusion instead of getting his conclusion from the data. He's another one of those moral panic peddlers and should not be trusted as a reliable source. [2]

1. https://www.youtube.com/live/Ewxe4pWOH-I 2. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1647639025879064579.html

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by ksymph »

docfort wrote: post #2

I don't dispute the facts in the article, but this question kept popping up in my mind: how do they define reading time? I mean, in a too-pedantic sense, smartphone screen time is roughly divided into reading, viewing (photos/videos), and gaming. Given that they are not allowed to take the phones, it seems unlikely that the school knows a student's primary usage mode. For example, a student could be reading a bunch o…

Personally speaking, myself and my friend group used our phones mostly for reading in high school in the mid-2010s. It's the exception but certainly not unheard of. Those interested in writing are likely to do a lot of reading, and there are many amateur writing communities online that are populated mostly by teenagers.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by philwelch »

wincy wrote: post #40
tshaddox wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even that’s a little unfortunate, because in my experience the older generation of straightforward competitive multiplayer games can be a productive and mostly safe experience.

Weird my experience as a teenager in the early 2000s was being told how much everyone had carnal relations with my mother on multiplayer games on the internet.

That’s just socializing with other kids, not being preyed on by an abusive game industry.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by tshaddox »

wincy wrote: post #40
tshaddox wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even that’s a little unfortunate, because in my experience the older generation of straightforward competitive multiplayer games can be a productive and mostly safe experience.

Weird my experience as a teenager in the early 2000s was being told how much everyone had carnal relations with my mother on multiplayer games on the internet.

Yeah, different games had different cultures. That’s why I hedged with “mostly safe.”

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by newsclues »

mh- wrote: post #57
agrippanux wrote: post #23

I swapped my high school son’s iPhone for an Apple Watch w/cellular for school days and his grades and social life improved significantly.

And here our schools don't allow smart watches, depriving me of this (wise) choice.

Ban smart watches but not phones?

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by Mistletoe »

oblio wrote: post #68
mh- wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here our schools don't allow smart watches, depriving me of this (wise) choice.

Can't you just give them a dumb phone? Also, why do parents these days need so much that their kids have some an instant communication device?

At the school by me every day is a line that stretches for blocks of parents picking up their kids at 3pm. All of these cars and human time was previously handled by a school bus and one driver.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by hooverd »

jdiff wrote: post #4
docfort wrote: post #2

I don't dispute the facts in the article, but this question kept popping up in my mind: how do they define reading time? I mean, in a too-pedantic sense, smartphone screen time is roughly divided into reading, viewing (photos/videos), and gaming. Given that they are not allowed to take the phones, it seems unlikely that the school knows a student's primary usage mode. For example, a student could be reading a bunch o…

I'm a high school teacher. Not for long, but for a few years now. Never have I ever seen a student reading on their phone. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it must be a vanishingly small fraction that I have not yet encountered. When my students are on their phones, it's games, or it's (primarily video-based) social media. A smaller but notable fraction is background media consumption, either music or movies. Th…

I read a lot on my phone as a student.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by newsclues »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #46
andrei-akopian wrote: post #41

Some schools ban phones but allow laptops and tablets. It is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media. (apparently) My phone usage dropped after I got a personal laptop and an eBook reader. So did pretty much every one else's. The phone is just really inconvenient for anything other than doomscrolling. In my opinion, the lack of alternative activities is overlooked. It is a ban and a prayer that…

> t is the phones specifically that are the problem, not social media. disagree; it's the social media that's the problem; the phone just makes it possible to access it at all times remove social media and you won't have kids on their phones all the time (or, if you're very lucky, they might use them for something productive)

Yeah in computer class in high school the normal kids were on MySpace or chat in the computer lab instead of doing the boring work.

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by newsclues »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #69
red_admiral wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phones are ok as communication devices though, even if it's only "lunch half twelve 2nd floor canteen?" to a coworker. Whether schools need that or not is another question, though "Mum can you check did I leave my maths book on the desk?" via whatsapp seems to be a thing these days.

Bring back alpha-numeric pagers!

Going back to blackberries would be ideal imo

Re: The phone ban has had a big impact on school work

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Post by mh- »

newsclues wrote: post #75
mh- wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here our schools don't allow smart watches, depriving me of this (wise) choice.

Ban smart watches but not phones?

They require students to deposit their phones in a storage thing when they enter the classroom.
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