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Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Re: Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Post by gertop »

9dev wrote: post #12
diminish wrote: post #3

We need >2000 km ranges in one charge of electric vehicles for widespread adoption.

People really need to get away from that notion electric vehicles need to be as similar as possible to ICE vehicles. Most people living in cities don’t ever require that range, because 99% of their rides will be constrained to less than 50 kilometers. And even on the countryside, few people need to drive such long stretches on a single charge. Keeping up this stoic desire to not having to change your habits around dr…

> Most people living in cities don’t ever require that range

Very true! But most people in cities can't charge at home (street parking, rental, etc).

So charge time and access (finding a working station with a reasonable wait time) must also be considered before we tell people they're dumb for resisting change.

Re: Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Post by ben_w »

amatecha wrote: post #36
kyriakos wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an owner of an EV it took me the first 6 months to adapt. The concept is different and you need to adapt your mentality to it. When you use an ICE car you fill up once it goes under 20% When you drive an EV you leave home and it's always full and costs nothing (PV takes care of that). Most places I visit have chargers which means you charge while you do what you have to do be it restaurant, shopping mall, supermar…

How does that work when all cars are electric? Fighting with some guy at the grocery store for a charging port? I'm not trying to be inflammatory asking that, I genuinely wonder what the approach is supposed to be if suddenly everyone went and bought an electric car. I always hear that "you can charge all over the place" but I'll see like, two charging stalls in a giant parking lot. I wonder what the future looks lik…

If all cars are electric and charging speeds are still relatively limited, then almost every spot in almost every car park will have its own charger.

Re: Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

MrHamburger wrote: post #87
standeven wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, about 2000 moving parts in a combustion engine compared to 20 in an electric motor. The only reason ICE cars are comparable in price is the 100 years of supply chain competition. EVs will win, but gas and diesel will persist for a long time in niches (enthusiasts, long-haul towing).

But you can replace any of those 2000 moving parts with same one from eBay. You can either make your own if you know how. You can't change DRM locked part unless it is a new one and installed by approved technician using approved software for installation. Have you been naughty boy? No parts for you. This will work against all new cars in general.

Ah, the blessing of being in the fraction of a percent that knows how to fix their cars and has the tools to do so.

Re: Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Post by oliwarner »

MrHamburger wrote: post #89
kristopolous wrote: post #88

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Companies not respecting consumer rights isn't an inherent property of having an electric drivetrain. That's a right to repair argument, which is a different issue. There will likely be consumer protection laws and maybe even an "Open Car" project in the same way there's open hardware today. Are you implying a covetous car manufacturer won't be as protective with their gasoline vehicle line?

> Companies not respecting consumer rights isn't an inherent property of having an electric drivetrain. But it is so much easier. How car will tell that mechanical part has been changed? It can't.

Sorry but no, it can.

ICE vehicles have hundreds of CAN bus or SPE -networked devices that feed into an MCU that can refuse to work if they're not first-party devices.

This isn't something novel to EV, at all.

Re: Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #48

The biggest problem in Germany at the moment is that a high percentage of chargers are broken. Here is a supermarket with chargers, broken for weeks now. Imagine the outcry if 50% of gas pumps were broken all the time.

The USA has a bunch of funding available to states to fund charging networks, under the Inflstion Reduction Act. At the beginning of the year we finally got our federal charging standard together, and it's looking really good & useful on this front:

To get funding you need real time & historical charger availability and status info (including what charge rates are available), via API. Making sure chargers are both really discoverable & actually usable should be greatly improved!

Re: Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

kristopolous wrote: post #82
standeven wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, about 2000 moving parts in a combustion engine compared to 20 in an electric motor. The only reason ICE cars are comparable in price is the 100 years of supply chain competition. EVs will win, but gas and diesel will persist for a long time in niches (enthusiasts, long-haul towing).

More rural places without electrification are the big long term use until renewable tech becomes better and significantly cheaper. In the future there will be off-grid unmanned free standing windmill or solar installations with a car charger hooked up to it. People will put such public chargers on their vacant land, say in the desert, for passive income, profit sharing with the installer. Their storage capacity, pric…

Small perk of the iron-air battery (such as the largest battery in the world, being built in Maine, https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/long-duration-energy-st... ), is that it's also bulky & heavy, which is harder to steal!

Other future imagining: a bunch of wrecked or old EV's being used for their battery capacity, buffering power from solar. Charge station of old cars holding juice for new ones.

Re: Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Post by MrHamburger »

kristopolous wrote: post #90
MrHamburger wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companies not respecting consumer rights isn't an inherent property of having an electric drivetrain. But it is so much easier. How car will tell that mechanical part has been changed? It can't.

Ok name an EV part you can be a DRM asshole with and tell me the mechanism by which you're enforcing the DRM and I'll bet it's equally enforceable with a similar mechanism on the gas vehicle.

Battery pack being DRM locked, while gas tank can't be.

Re: Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Post by MrHamburger »

oliwarner wrote: post #95
MrHamburger wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companies not respecting consumer rights isn't an inherent property of having an electric drivetrain. But it is so much easier. How car will tell that mechanical part has been changed? It can't.

Sorry but no, it can. ICE vehicles have hundreds of CAN bus or SPE -networked devices that feed into an MCU that can refuse to work if they're not first-party devices. This isn't something novel to EV, at all.

Changing a head gasket will be detected by what exactly? Rebuilding your failed transmission (the wheels inside) will be detected by which sensor?

Re: Electric vehicle battery prices are expected to fall almost 50% by 2026

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Post by MrHamburger »

mulperi wrote: post #16

We would need a standardized, replaceable battery pack that takes us 300-500 km. That would eliminate the risk of expensive battery service and make recharging instant at service station.

I don't think that whole battery pack will be standardized, more like it will have slots for smaller standardized packs (i.e. 10kg ones). Similar to standardization in PC.

That would be solving so many problems.

1. Repairability - You can replace all packs, or just some. Depends on your financial situation.

2. Independence - You are not dependent when your company will stop manufacturing your special battery pack.

3. Longevity - You can buy 10 year old car with dead battery and buy latest set of standard packs with latest battery technology, suddenly your car is having twice the range than it was a new. Like HDD -> SSD

4. Less dependency on street infrastructure - You can charge the car on a charger or if you can't charge at your place, you can just pull one or two packs out of your car and charge them on 230V in your apartment or hotel room.

5. No wall box needed - You can have two sets of these standardized packs. You can put one into garage where it will be charged during the day (i.e. Solar array) and you can use the other one in your car. Swap them when needed.

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