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Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by gyre007 »

kranke155 wrote: post #14

Are Americans really so scared of Marx to admit that AI fundamentally proves his point? Dario here says "yeah likely the economic system won't work anymore" but he doesn't dare say what comes next: It's obvious some kind of socialist system is inevitable, at least for basic goods and housing. How can you deny that to a person in a post-AGI world where almost no one can produce economic value that beats the ever cheap…

If, and it is an IF, this does turn out the way he is imagining, the transitional period to the AI from the economic PoV will be disastrous for people. That's the scariest part I think.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by spiralpolitik »

There are two possible end-states for AI once a threshold is crossed:

The AIs take a look at the state of things and realize the KPIs will improve considerably if homo sapiens are removed from the picture. Cue "The Matrix" or "The Terminator" type future.

OR:

The AIs take a look and decide that keeping homo sapiens around makes things much more fun and interesting. They take over running things in a benevolent manner in collaboration with homo sapiens. At that point we end up with 'The Culture'.

Either end-state is bad for the billionaire/investor/VC class.

In the first you'll be a fed into the meat grinder just like everyone else. In the second the AIs, will do a much better job of resource allocation, will perform a decapitation strike on that demographic to capture the resources, and capitalism will largely be extinct from that point onwards.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by HocusLocus »

thrance wrote: post #2

This is basically the tech CEO's version of the book of revelations: "AI will soon come and make everything right with the world, help us and you will be rewarded with a Millennium of bliss in It's presence". I won't comment on the plausibility of what is being said, but regardless, one should beware this type of reasoning. Any action can be justified, if it means bringing about an infinite good. Relevant read: https…

It won't bring about Infinite Good. It'll bring about infinite contentment by diddling the pleasure center in our brains. Because you know, eventually everything is awarded to and built by the lowest bidder.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by lewhoo »

gyre007 wrote: post #18
lewhoo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's bs but for money and therefore totally fine ? I think it's not ok if only a fraction comes true because some people believe in those things and act on those beliefs right now.

I didn't say it was bs. I was alluding to the timing of this essay being published but, clearly, I didn't articulate it in my message well. I also don't think everything he says is bs. Some of it I find a bit naive -- but maybe that's ok -- some other things seem a bit like sci-fi, but who are we to say this is impossible? I'm optimistic but also learnt in life that things improve, sometimes drastically given the rig…

Well I don't know. A bit naive, a bit like sci-fi and aimed at raising money fits my description of bs quite well.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by kranke155 »

gyre007 wrote: post #21
kranke155 wrote: post #14

Are Americans really so scared of Marx to admit that AI fundamentally proves his point? Dario here says "yeah likely the economic system won't work anymore" but he doesn't dare say what comes next: It's obvious some kind of socialist system is inevitable, at least for basic goods and housing. How can you deny that to a person in a post-AGI world where almost no one can produce economic value that beats the ever cheap…

If, and it is an IF, this does turn out the way he is imagining, the transitional period to the AI from the economic PoV will be disastrous for people. That's the scariest part I think.

Absolutely it will. And it will be a pure plain dystopia, as clear as in the times of Dickens or Dostoyevsky.

We need to start being honest. We live in Dickensian times.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by tbrownaw »

jimkleiber wrote: post #11
KaiserPro wrote: post #4

One of the sad things about tech is that nobody really looks at history. The same kinds of essays were written about trains, planes and nuclear power. Before lindbergh went off the deepend, he was convinced that "airmen" were gentlemen and could sort out the world's ills. The essay contains a lot of coulds, but doesn't touch on the base problem: human nature. AI will be used to make things cheaper. That is, lots of j…

> The essay contains a lot of coulds, but doesn't touch on the base problem: human nature. > AI isn't the problem, we are. I think when we frame it as human _nature_, then yes, _we_ look like the problem. But what if we frame it as human _culture_? Then _we_ aren't the problem, but rather our _behaviors/beliefs/knowledge/etc_ are. If we focus on the former, we might just be essentially screwed. If we focus on the lat…

> I think when we frame it as human _nature_, then yes, _we_ look like the problem.

But what if we frame it as human _culture_? Then _we_ aren't the problem, but rather our _behaviors/beliefs/knowledge/etc_ are.

If we focus on the former, we might just be essentially screwed. If we focus on the latter, we might be able to change things that seem like nature but might be more nurture.

Maybe that's a better framing: the base problem is human nurture?

This is about the same as saying that leaders can get better outcomes by surrounding themselves with yes-men.

Just because asserting a different set of facts makes the predicted outcomes more desirable, doesn't mean that those alternate facts are better for making predictions with. What matters is how congruent they are to reality.

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by talldayo »

throwaway918299 wrote: post #25
Muromec wrote: post #3

Miquella the kind, pure and radiant, he wields love to shrive clean the hearts of men. There is nothing more terrifying.

I beat Consort Radahn before the nerfs.

But did you beat the original Radahn pre-nerf?

Re: Machines of loving grace: How AI could transform the world for the better

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Post by keyringlight »

exe34 wrote: post #20
laurex wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is an important distinction. Yes, humans have some inbuilt weaknesses and proclivities, but humans are not required to live in or develop systems in which those weaknesses and proclivities are constantly exploited for the benefit/power of a few others. Throughout human history, there have been practices of contemplation, recognition of interdependence, and ways of increasing our capacity for compassion a…

> Throughout human history, there have been practices of contemplation, recognition of interdependence, and ways of increasing our capacity for compassion and thoughful response. has this ever been widespread in society? I think such people have always been few and far between?

The example that comes to mind is post-WW2 Germany, but that was apparently a hard slog to change the minds of the German people. I really doubt any organization could do something similar presenting an opposing viewpoint to the companies (and their resources) behind and using AI
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