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GLP-1 pills are coming, and they could revolutionize weight-loss treatment

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Meh, 10-12 grams of inulin plus a teaspoon of allulose has accomplished the same thing for me. Just be prepared for the fart armageddon that comes with the inulin and will last for 3-4 weeks as your gut biota adjusts.

My regime for informational puprposes, consult your doctor before you try anything obviously: 3 restorafiber gummies in the morning, 3 in the evening a half teaspoon of allulose in the morning and evening (tastes sweet, I just dissolve it on my tongue).

Costco sells 2 large 140 gummie jars for 29 bucks (46 servings) where I live and the "wholesome, non-gmo pure allulose" brand is available from iherb for 19 bucks for 80 daily servings, which puts the cost of this regime ~86 cents a day.

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Sidenote, my SO recently started a generic GLP-1 shot. It has far more side effects, at least during ramp up - than just reward center. Notably a wide array of food either make them sick to their stomach or have colon related issues (diarrhea or constipation). I suspect i do observe reward changes as well, but especially in the first few weeks it felt like i was observing weight loss strictly because they struggled t…

Taking GLP-1 meds without a program around them is like taking psychedelics without support/setting. Before I started taking mine, I had to spend a whole month living the diet I'd be on (I lost 10lbs just with that diet change alone) to prepare. Lots of water, lots more fiber. Avoiding certain foods. When I started taking the meds, my weight started to drop further and it was a minimal change to eat smaller portions…

> Before I started taking mine, I had to spend a whole month living the diet I'd be on (I lost 10lbs just with that diet change alone) to prepare. Lots of water, lots more fiber. Avoiding certain foods.

Problem is i don't know what we could have predicted. The only thing the doctor predicted was the protein, which we did prepare on.

The other things have largely been a surprise and most importantly erratic.

> Usually the 2nd/3rd tier of dose increases are where people get worse symptoms so your SO may be in for a more difficult time.

I believe they're on the 3rd tier atm and the symptoms are lessening, though it's difficult to say if it's that or our successful adjustments.

And yea the doctor is aware - both my SO and their parent had doctors that planned to only increase tiers when they get reduced symptoms. So the doctor was planning for it at least, even if we weren't prepared on the specific foods they'd have issues with.

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Does it affect libido?

Oddly enough, no. It seems to affect a different desire pathway than dopamine and such. It’s not anhedonic, good stuff is still good and you still want it. Even food! It doesn’t make food not-pleasurable, just reduces hunger. It only seems to affect very particular kinds of cravings associated with food and addiction/compulsion, not sex drive (though maybe for “sex addicts”? IDK)

I agree with statement. Nothing really to add in to your response, just seconding it.

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Obesity is primarily a US problem. It's not the same in Europe, where people walk a lot more, and where portion sizes are normal. A ham and cheese sandwich in the UK would have a slice of ham and of cheese. In the US a deli sandwich is a monstrosity with about 1/4 pound of meat in it.

> Obesity is primarily a US problem No no no. Obesity is very high in the US, but it's a big problem for lots of the world. It's a hard one to compare because different places use different cut-offs, but bringing this back to the UK: "64.0% of adults aged 18 years and over in England were estimated to be overweight or living with obesity [of which 40% are obese]"[0]. 0: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/update…

Thing is the US is the world's superpower and it extends its influence everywhere. That includes its language, tech, culture and food habits (however unhealthy) too

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I’ve heard about GLP-1 pills being used for weight loss, and while I haven’t tried them myself, I know they help regulate blood sugar and can suppress appetite, which can be useful for some. It’s important to keep in mind they’re still a medical treatment, so it’s good to speak to a professional before starting.

Personally, I’ve had success with intermittent fasting and HGH therapy. I started HGH treatment due to a deficiency, and it’s made a huge difference for me, especially in terms of energy levels, recovery, and muscle tone. Combining fasting with HGH therapy has really helped me stay on track with my fitness goals, and I feel much more in control of my body and my health.

If you're curious about how hormones like growth hormone and testosterone compare and impact your health, you might find this link helpful: https://medzone.clinic/growth-hormone-vs-testosterone-the-di...

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We do know that the benefits stop as soon as you stop taking it. You'll start gaining back weight. No negative long term effects have been observed in humans yet, but some animals in trials were at a higher risk of cancer. We haven't observed any evidence that the addiction-suppression effect reduces over time yet. However, we haven't been studying that effect for very long.

> We do know that the benefits stop as soon as you stop taking it. You'll start gaining back weight. It's more accurate to say that if you're depending on the appetite suppression to eat a sustainable amount of calories, you will begin to gain weight again after stopping the drug. It's possible to use a GLP-1 agonist to lose weight and then keep it off with a proper diet. I took tirzepatide (Mounjaro) for 6 months, l…

So what changed for you? Why are you now able to control your calorie intake, but not before (or maybe you could have, but just didn't do it that way)?

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Diet and exercise don't have negative side effects and they are free. Exercise is social too and has lots of side effect benefits beyond the obvious fitness ones

If no one does them, their risk profile is immaterial. GLP-1s can be manufactured for $5/month. Cheaper than trying to coax the monkey brain into doing things you can't make it do. I cannot speak to the gene therapy cost; balance against lifetime cost of "Western disease" if not provided. Engineer for the way the world is, not the way we wish it was. From your comments, you appear to operate under the belief that peo…

I find your language usage curious. "trying to coax the monkey brain into doing things you can't make it do", "the way the world is", "people can free will their way to success", "anyone with a brain chemistry imbalance or dysfunction".

You seem to imply that people have no self-control and are unable to power through difficulties. Because this is what is all about at the end of the day: self-control, one of the main things that separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom. It is the ability to regulate one's emotions, behaviors, and impulses in the face of temptations and urges.

What your parents taught you, your teachers taught you all those years during compulsory education lies on a solid foundation of self-control. Civilisation as we know is built upon it. Depends on it.

Yet your language implies that this is not the case. That humans are effectively, like toddlers, unable to use their self regulating powers to reign upon their emotions for the sake of a much better outcome in the long term. Fully unable to choose healthier foods or foods with lower calories. Fully unable to engage in free physical activities such as walking, jogging or running.

Truly makes you wonder how civilisations exist at all.

The idea that you can improve an individual's agency by having to temporarily disable a part of their brain is nonsensical. Surely, you can temporarily improve a specific decision making outcome (do I eat now?) by doing this. But you are not improving their agency anymore than you can by putting a gun on their head. In both cases, there is an external force temporarily suppressing a part of their normal decision making so they decide not to eat.

The underlying problem: lack of self-control is still there. You just tackled a symptom. There are others (deciding not to engage in physical activity for example).

A better solution would tackle the lack of self-control rather than some of the symptom. There is already some research on this area and some potential suggestions that if further investigated could help provide a better solution. But unfortunately, the solutions are virtually free and don't involve a lifetime subscription (could very well end up like diabetes medication which is arguably more critical for affected people yet with companies endlessly increasing the patents Disney style) to a drug.

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