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Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by istjohn »

octopoc wrote: post #278
istjohn wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: > Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women... Ezekial 9:5-6 > Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:3 > And every li…

All those examples are from a single ancient culture. Why did you pick only from that culture?

They are quotes from the most important text of our Western culture, the sacred scripture of the world's largest religion.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by keybored »

exmadscientist wrote: post #120
tomp wrote: post #97

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It is, as so often the case, a classic prisoner's dilemma problem [0]: "no nukes" is pretty clearly superior to "any nukes at all", but "they have nukes but we don't" is game over, so... nukes for all (major world powers)! It's awful, but that's the prisoner's dilemma for you. I have a hard time respecting any anti-nuclear activist who doesn't at least acknowledge this facet of things, even if "no one has nukes and n…

God, spare the world from nerds and their game theories. There have been enough nuclear trigger close calls already.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by aguaviva »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #293
aguaviva wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that's not a direct quote from Arakhmiya - now is it? Rather, it's a characterization of what he said -- whose original provenance seems to be difficult to track down, and there are conflicting versions available, which of course got copy-pasted all over in both left- and right-wing outlets (as well as by the Kremlin of course). But both Johnson and Arakhmiya have strenuously denied this characterization in an…

Original provenance was Ukrainska Pravda. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2022/05/5/7344096/ At some point a name was put to the anonymous source, could be one of the many journalists who have investigated this quote, as you yourself admit there are lots of sources on this topic. But that single quote aside, it's not like they're saying this in secret. Even Victoria Nuland and Foreign Affairs said some version…

Right - the UP quote names "one of Zelenskyy's close associates", not Arakhmiya. Since Arakhmiya is explicitly quoted elsewhere in the article (and the different UP article it links to as a source for those quotes, in Ukrainian, does not include anything resembling the quote in question) -- that strongly suggests it was never his characterization in the first place.

All I can say at this point, and which I feel I'm entitled to, is: "Now let that sink in". (Can't delve into Nuland angle right now, maybe another day).

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by keybored »

pyrale wrote: post #9

I have no issue with this laureate, but it is sad that the comittee could not find someone deserving that is working on a more current conflict. I guess this is not a positive outlook for the current state international conflicts.

> I have no issue with this laureate, but it is sad that the comittee

You have no issue but it is sad?

> could not find someone deserving that is working on a more current conflict. I guess this is not a positive outlook for the current state international conflicts.

Just any issue would be fine for you? Or could it be some specific issue that you care abuot.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by wk_end »

mppm wrote: post #256
nrml_amnt wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the Russian narrative? How to give consideration for something that is not even meant to be sensical?

Ah... NATO expansion? Alleged discrimination against the Russian majority in Eastern Ukraine? Alleged foreign interference in the Maidan revolution? Not that I'm trying to start a discussion here, but dismissing the other side's arguments as "not even meant to be sensical" is exactly what I was arguing against.

None of this is a legitimate casus belli in any sense of the term. You’re suggesting we ought to take seriously the geopolitical equivalent of “he looked at me funny”.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by cynicalpeace »

anigbrowl wrote: post #282
cynicalpeace wrote: post #193

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You responded “Yes but how?” to my question. Did I misunderstand and you meant wars between nuclear powers is not foolish?

Can you please stop with these tacky rhetorical moves, it's inimical to good conversation.

It was a genuine question.

When you start getting attacked personally, you know whoever's attacking you is losing the argument.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by walrushunter »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #58

Phenomenal choice. While 80 years is nice- it's a blip on the timescale of history. I personally think we're a button click away from going back to the stone age. I know others will disagree, but it's not something you wanna take a gamble on. I think it's one of the reasons we have to be self sustaining on other heavenly bodies. And also why wars or proxy wars between nuclear powers are extremely foolish and should b…

Yeah, we should just stop all wars. Great idea! How has nobody thought of this before???

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by onursurme »

istjohn wrote: post #301
octopoc wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All those examples are from a single ancient culture. Why did you pick only from that culture?

They are quotes from the most important text of our Western culture, the sacred scripture of the world's largest religion.

And similar things are still going on today

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by mc32 »

wk_end wrote: post #305
mppm wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah... NATO expansion? Alleged discrimination against the Russian majority in Eastern Ukraine? Alleged foreign interference in the Maidan revolution? Not that I'm trying to start a discussion here, but dismissing the other side's arguments as "not even meant to be sensical" is exactly what I was arguing against.

None of this is a legitimate casus belli in any sense of the term. You’re suggesting we ought to take seriously the geopolitical equivalent of “he looked at me funny”.

I would you say the Cuban missile crisis was made up by the Kennedy admin? The establishment was ready to war if the missiles were not removed. Being in our “backyard” and sphere of influence (LatAm) we didn’t take to it too kindly.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

valval wrote: post #258
Hammershaft wrote: post #224

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Interdependence via global trade makes it unlikely that without nuclear weapons we would have nearly the number of wars we had in the 1940s.

Thats not a thing though is it? Sanctions aren’t affecting Russia in any capacity.

Sanctions are hurting Russia financially. Putin doesn't care because he can extract wealth from oligarchs in whatever manner he sees fit. That's the benefit of being a dictator who has a wealth of knowledge on how to watch his own back after his career in intelligence work. He'll just tell his people to create some propaganda and everyone will fall into line.
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