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Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by jsbg »

vasco wrote: post #24
mppm wrote: post #17

This is indeed a very timely award. I sometimes feel like the world has forgotten that nuclear weapons still exist and are still on hair-trigger alert to obliterate major cities. Maybe the end of atmospheric testing and the success of (now defunct) weapons reduction treaties has blunted public perception to the ongoing threat that they represent, and to the need to tread carefully where nuclear powers are involved.

If I put a hammer over your head that can fall any minute you'll be worrying, but if you're born with the hammer over your head and your parents before you as well, it becomes less of a thing.

maybe your parents aren't old enough to remember how much of the population could expect to die in wars before nuclear weapons (i.e. mutually assured destruction) existed

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by fifilura »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #228
EasyMark wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not to mention fact checkers are often overwhelmed after just one speech of his there are so many lies and exaggerations. He is a narcissistic grifter that became a cult leader.

You're describing me in this comment thread right now. Overwhelmed by the onslaught of political bias. At least Trump's lies have killed less people than Victoria Nuland's

You who brought the 2024 election into the thread.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by cynicalpeace »

EasyMark wrote: post #156
cynicalpeace wrote: post #58

Phenomenal choice. While 80 years is nice- it's a blip on the timescale of history. I personally think we're a button click away from going back to the stone age. I know others will disagree, but it's not something you wanna take a gamble on. I think it's one of the reasons we have to be self sustaining on other heavenly bodies. And also why wars or proxy wars between nuclear powers are extremely foolish and should b…

So like usual I offer up "what's your alternative" ? Is it to ignore Russian's invasion of countries? Ignore Iran's chaos it wants to sew constantly in the Middle East? It's easy to say "just be peaceful" but history shows that countries are not peaceful towards one another, they constantly want to take other's resources, or force their way of life on others, or settle some vague issue they have with another country…

You realize achieving a compromise is not simply "ignoring" or surrendering to Russia?

Putin and Biden haven't spoken in years. I would say you're proposing ignoring the situation until it becomes even more of a powder keg in a decade or two.

Alternative is accepting some territorial losses, compromising, soldiers go home. Doomsday clock ticks back to 5 minutes to midnight.

You're acting as if this is the first time anyone has annexed territory. Do I like it? No. But you gotta manage with the cards you're dealt and that territory is not worth decades long conflict with two major nuclear powers.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by cynicalpeace »

quotz wrote: post #213
EasyMark wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like usual I offer up "what's your alternative" ? Is it to ignore Russian's invasion of countries? Ignore Iran's chaos it wants to sew constantly in the Middle East? It's easy to say "just be peaceful" but history shows that countries are not peaceful towards one another, they constantly want to take other's resources, or force their way of life on others, or settle some vague issue they have with another country…

Irans wants to sew chaos? The whole conflict with Iran started because the US and UK installed a puppet government (Pahlavi) so they can control the oil. After Pahlavi was ousted, the religious extreme took control, and cut ties with the west as a result. Its more like the west wanted chaos and started this whole mess

It's this same mentality that got us in trouble in literally all conflicts of the past 40 years. One day it's gonna get us blown up and I hope it's not over the Donbas.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by cynicalpeace »

palata wrote: post #85
cynicalpeace wrote: post #58

Phenomenal choice. While 80 years is nice- it's a blip on the timescale of history. I personally think we're a button click away from going back to the stone age. I know others will disagree, but it's not something you wanna take a gamble on. I think it's one of the reasons we have to be self sustaining on other heavenly bodies. And also why wars or proxy wars between nuclear powers are extremely foolish and should b…

> I think it's one of the reasons we have to be self sustaining on other heavenly bodies. I think this is a very naive take. * We can't really live on another planet in the solar system. * Look at how far the next star is and realise that we won't get there anytime soon (probably at all). * What's the point of surviving on another planet, without any other species? * Without considering the risk of nuclear war, we ar…

I think this is a very naive take.

We could live on Mars. Just a matter of time. Let engineers iterate.

We would obviously bring species here at home with us to Mars. And then new species would flourish too.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by aguaviva »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #243
EasyMark wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like usual I offer up "what's your alternative" ? Is it to ignore Russian's invasion of countries? Ignore Iran's chaos it wants to sew constantly in the Middle East? It's easy to say "just be peaceful" but history shows that countries are not peaceful towards one another, they constantly want to take other's resources, or force their way of life on others, or settle some vague issue they have with another country…

You realize achieving a compromise is not simply "ignoring" or surrendering to Russia? Putin and Biden haven't spoken in years. I would say you're proposing ignoring the situation until it becomes even more of a powder keg in a decade or two. Alternative is accepting some territorial losses, compromising, soldiers go home. Doomsday clock ticks back to 5 minutes to midnight. You're acting as if this is the first time…

You realize achieving a compromise is not simply "ignoring" or surrendering to Russia?

Depends on the degree of compromise.

What kind of compromises do you think Ukraine should make at this point in order to win "peace" with Russia?

Specifics needed please, especially in regard to: (1) the proportion of currently occupied territory Ukraine would need to grant permanent recognized sovereignty to Russia on; (2) the proportion of the the estimated 1T in material damage caused to Ukraine that Russia would need to pay before sanctions are lifted; and (3) the matter of some 20k abducted citizens, mostly minors that Ukraine asserts (with a high degree of credibility) are currently behind held by Russia?

Because it's the specifics that matter.

(BTW, future NATO status is mostly symbolic at this point; items (1)-(3) are what really matter).

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by aguaviva »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #235
piva00 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I'm claiming that a compromised peace in the Donbas with the annexation of territories of the Donbas and Crimea will further strengthen that if you have nukes you have a massive lever to use against non-nuclear nations. And Russia wants the Donbas, Crimea and the land bridge all the way around the Sea of Azov, that's a massive plot of land. You are only considering a narrow point in time, think ahead in terms of…

In terms of 20-50 years where will we be if the Ukraine conflict continues? At best an entrenched, decades long conflict, where we're at odds with 2 major nuclear powers. At worst, we're all dead. Including my children. Over a bunch of neoliberal theories proposed by the architects of the last number of catastrophic wars? No thanks. The left/Democrats/progressives used to be anti-war. But they've been entirely co-opt…

No need to worry about 20-50 years from now. It is very unlikely the conflict will continue much longer once Putin croaks or enters his diaper stage, in a few years.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by Manuel_D »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #245
palata wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think it's one of the reasons we have to be self sustaining on other heavenly bodies. I think this is a very naive take. * We can't really live on another planet in the solar system. * Look at how far the next star is and realise that we won't get there anytime soon (probably at all). * What's the point of surviving on another planet, without any other species? * Without considering the risk of nuclear war, we ar…

I think this is a very naive take. We could live on Mars. Just a matter of time. Let engineers iterate. We would obviously bring species here at home with us to Mars. And then new species would flourish too.

I don't think people understand just how un-feasible life on Mars would be. It's got 1% of the atmospheric pressure as Earth. It's -65 degrees Celsius. It'd be more feasible to try colonizing the Moon or Antarctica.

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Post by KK7NIL »

ignoramous wrote: post #223
KK7NIL wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depleted uranium ammunition is not a type of nuclear weapon since its method of dealing damage is kinetic, not a nuclear reaction. Ironically enough you calling these "nuclear weapons" only serves to confuse people and soften the nuclear taboo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb

Stop.

You know very well that depleted uranium rounds are neither nuclear weapons nor dirty bombs and claiming so only creates confusion.

The US' military usage of DU (not just in ammunition but also armor) has been controversial and you're free to critique it, but that's not what you're doing. Instead you lied and created these fictional "nuclear weapons" that the US is supposedly spreading everywhere, which is just not true.

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