Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by cageface » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 7:23 AM UTC

kenster07 wrote: post #138

MBCook wrote: post #88

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You don't have to be a huge threat to be worth squeezing money out of. Huge threat? I don't think so. Samsung is the only other player making any real profit in the industry, so they are definitely Apple's largest competition at this point. Unless MS does something crazy with Windows Phone 8. They're important. But I don't agree with huge threat. At this point, Apple may be able to take a year off from releasing a ne…

m.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/27/samsung-apple-smartphone-sales-profit?cat=technology&type=article

Exactly right Apple is scared about this. The phone market is slipping through their fingers and they're willing to do whatever it takes to get their grip back.

It turns out their one-size-fits-all approach really doesn't fit all so they go patent nuclear on Android while borrowing a lot of Android's ideas along the way. I'd love to see Google sue the shit out of them for stealing their notification system.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by fauigerzigerk » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 8:24 AM UTC

raganwald wrote: post #80

pm90 wrote: post #69

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Nobody said its products are inferior. The argument _is_ against its business strategies, which is quite absurd, to say the least. I think the reason why ars advocated a boycott was as a 'protest' to show Apple that it must not partake in such activities. And please please don't give me the argument that Apple is a corporation that exists only for its profits etcetc. There are ways to maximize your profit without bei…

I was replying to someone who said: "Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition.” I accept that you don’t say that their products are terrible. I certainly like their products while disliking the innovation-killing patent-circus. The eventual end-game is an oligopoly, and I think this is a net loss for humankind.

The sentence you quote is a question, not an assertion. It's also clearly a rhetorical question and the implied answer is "no".

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by Maascamp » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 8:48 AM UTC

oemera wrote: post #126

gergles wrote: post #124

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You can't own an idea. The idea of 'searching with your voice' is not something Apple can own. They can own a specific implementation of searching with your voice, but that's it. The general concept of "doing this thing" is not something that is protectable. Also, not that it is really relevant, but selling point Apple copied from Android? Notification center. A direct, 'slavish' copy (to use Koh's own terms), but yo…

5 years of iOS work and the only thing you can find is "notification center"? It's not even a copy. It's not close to what it is on Android. I just stop here. It doesn't make any sense to argue about this anymore. I just hope this copying just stops and everyone can have it's own innovative feature and not copied crap!

Are you 6?

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by ralfd » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 9:21 AM UTC

creamyhorror wrote: post #92

I am absolutely going to persuade my mother to switch to an Android in a few months' time. And then recommend it to every friend of mine who's upgrading their phone, mentioning in passing that Apple has actually gotten Galaxy Nexuses and Tabs blocked in the US. I'm glad Android is actually good enough at this stage for me to do this. The '604 search patent is a big hot mess of ideas thrown together to cover all sorts…

Well, in the mobile space everyone is suing everyone else. Google is using Motorola for that and are banning in Germany important parts of Apples e-mail and iCloud services.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/04/german-court-extends-pu...

Because of that and as a German I wont ever buy Android and also telling my friends.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by fromhet » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 9:26 AM UTC

JoeCortopassi wrote: post #129

dguaraglia wrote: post #127

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Yes, and that's why I think (most) software patents are a crock of shit, same as most design patents. The very idea that someone can get a patent something like 'a tablet with a metal casing and rounded corners' is revolting. But then, the whole patent system has been fucked up for umpteen years because of the way lawyers lay out the legalese on most patents. Something as specific as a new protocol to transfer data (…

Where would Google be without the PageRank patent to give them a monopoly on search? Don't think many people have an issue with that.

I know less than little about most things, but wouldnt that m ake search engienes compete more, giving us, the users, better results?

I think there's a fine line where on one side inventors cant net a profit without a time-based monopoly but on the other side of this fine line it's just hurting competition.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by hastur » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 9:54 AM UTC

I will never buy an Apple product again.

Their tactics are pathetic.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by cskau » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 10:42 AM UTC

ralfd wrote: post #144

creamyhorror wrote: post #92

I am absolutely going to persuade my mother to switch to an Android in a few months' time. And then recommend it to every friend of mine who's upgrading their phone, mentioning in passing that Apple has actually gotten Galaxy Nexuses and Tabs blocked in the US. I'm glad Android is actually good enough at this stage for me to do this. The '604 search patent is a big hot mess of ideas thrown together to cover all sorts…

Well, in the mobile space everyone is suing everyone else. Google is using Motorola for that and are banning in Germany important parts of Apples e-mail and iCloud services. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/04/german-court-extends-pu... Because of that and as a German I wont ever buy Android and also telling my friends.

> [..] in the mobile space everyone is suing everyone else. [..]

> Because of that and as a German I wont ever buy Android and also telling my friends.

So you won't ever buy anything ever again? As you say yourself it's the whole industry that is playing this game, so it seems unfair to take it out on just one company. Biased much?

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by rimantas » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 10:46 AM UTC

gcb wrote: post #51

Hope you felt good upvoting all those articles stating how ridiculous patent law is FROM YOUR DAMN APPLE DEVICES Time to vote with your wallet is way overdue. And while you're at it may think about the Sony stuff you own.

  > Time to vote with your wallet is way overdue.

Damn right! So I will never buy anything from that court again. And from USPTO for that matter. And from US legislators.

As for Apple—I enjoy using their products and I enjoy developing for iOS. As for Google—as I get older I start to hate ads more and more. I want to pay myself for the products I buy and use. A little more privacy is a nice side effect of that. So yep, I will vote with my wallet.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by rimantas » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 10:53 AM UTC

creamyhorror wrote: post #92

I am absolutely going to persuade my mother to switch to an Android in a few months' time. And then recommend it to every friend of mine who's upgrading their phone, mentioning in passing that Apple has actually gotten Galaxy Nexuses and Tabs blocked in the US. I'm glad Android is actually good enough at this stage for me to do this. The '604 search patent is a big hot mess of ideas thrown together to cover all sorts…

I hope that before doing that you will do a little bit more research who was trying to get ban on something and after that will save some money.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by kombine » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 10:53 AM UTC

Especially sad considering how people in the tech industry use and promote Apple products. Sadly, I'm a user of MBP too. All of the "hackers" these days use Mac laptops to write in Javascript/Ruby/other_todays_hyped_language. All to satisfy the consumeristic needs of population. And frankly you can't do much with the platform anyway - Apple disallows JIT and other low level stuff on iOS. They move towards the same restrictions on MacOS X, starting with Mac App Store Apps. I wouldn't be surprised if in few years they disallow installing apps not through the app store. Fuck you, Apple! Your soul interest is to make more and more cash.