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Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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If I put a hammer over your head that can fall any minute you'll be worrying, but if you're born with the hammer over your head and your parents before you as well, it becomes less of a thing.

On an individual level, we all have a variety of hammers over our heads. Cancer has killed far more people prematurely than nuclear weapons. Something like 500,000 people a year are murdered. Traffic/bicycle/pedestrian accidents also kill more than nuclear weapons. Even compared to a once-in-a-century nuclear war that perhaps kills a billion people, cancer will kill roughly a billion in the next century anyway. So, f…

Worry is unproductive in the sense of feeling anxiety, sure, but it's noble to worry at the various hammers in the archaic definition to "move, proceed, or progress by unceasing or difficult effort, to shake or pull at with the teeth."

Some of the hammers such as the hammer representing nuclear weapons - are caused by people and can be solved by people. There's a big game theoretic hill to climb over, but social pressure and advocacy have been effective at making progress. Others, like cancer and general senescence, are more of a looming threat that's a fundamental characteristic of biology, we can (and should) worry at them to make incremental progress but we're unlikely to suddenly eliminate them. The murder rate is enormously dependent on individual location and individual relationships. Traffic/bicycle/pedestrian accidents are enormously dependent on individual behavior.

Of those threats, addressing the problem of nuclear weapons - especially for a member of Nihon Hidankyo, with a personal and persuasive story of the damages these weapons caused - is probably near the top of the list for actions which can have the greatest positive change.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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>> I think it's one of the reasons we have to be self sustaining on other heavenly bodies. This is not a joke. But every time anybody brings it up a mob shows up saying that we must make it work here on Earth, and we should all go to hell if we can't. But we only need a few madmen in power for the rest of us to not matter.

> But every time anybody brings it up a mob shows up saying that we must make it work here on Earth Yeah, we must. As in: it's not rational to even consider that becoming self-sustaining on other heavenly bodies is an alternative. It's fun, it's interesting, it's many things. But it's not an alternative.

Of course it’s an alternative. A self sustaining colony could be the only thing that survives a massive pandemic.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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I'd like to think of myself as a rational person, yet I worry about it. Because it's not just a matter of math; the effects of a billion people dying at once would be far more detrimental than the deaths from cancer over a century. (One might think this line of reasoning that some people apply is a coping mechanism to ignore the reality, but that might be a different conversation)

But it is not just about coping. We as society, can make policies to decrease chance of getting a cancer and decrease traffic deaths. We just chose not to out of convenience and profit.

it's easier to ignore 100 papercuts than it is to ignore missing a hand.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Stone age? Hardly. More like 18th century. I am more worried that we do not have that many attempts at rebuilding, because coal and oil are finite. OTOH a slower 2nd iteration might actually work better than this one.

If we lost access to electricity, we'd be completely screwed; we can't even get drinkable water in many places without electricity. For example where I live there is water around 10-20m depth, but it's polluted (it may be usable for agriculture but not for human consumption); you'd have to dig a well over 100m below the surface.

Boil it

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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You're claiming a compromised peace in the Donbas could spiral into a nuclear exchange. I'm claiming that continuing the proxy war between a jingoistic US government and a (probably) jingoistic Russian government could spiral into a nuclear exchange, and that the US government should be less jingoistic. Being jingoistic doesn't reduce the chance of nuclear war. I doubt we're going to convince each other, so I would c…

No. I'm claiming that a compromised peace in the Donbas with the annexation of territories of the Donbas and Crimea will further strengthen that if you have nukes you have a massive lever to use against non-nuclear nations. And Russia wants the Donbas, Crimea and the land bridge all the way around the Sea of Azov, that's a massive plot of land. You are only considering a narrow point in time, think ahead in terms of…

In terms of 20-50 years where will we be if the Ukraine conflict continues? At best an entrenched, decades long conflict, where we're at odds with 2 major nuclear powers. At worst, we're all dead. Including my children.

Over a bunch of neoliberal theories proposed by the architects of the last number of catastrophic wars? No thanks.

The left/Democrats/progressives used to be anti-war. But they've been entirely co-opted as a result of Trump derangement syndrome.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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No. I'm claiming that a compromised peace in the Donbas with the annexation of territories of the Donbas and Crimea will further strengthen that if you have nukes you have a massive lever to use against non-nuclear nations. And Russia wants the Donbas, Crimea and the land bridge all the way around the Sea of Azov, that's a massive plot of land. You are only considering a narrow point in time, think ahead in terms of…

> It's a spiral, the moment you allow a nuclear power to use that status to force the hand of an opposing nation at war you open a can of worms. Since 1945 the world has been trying to control proliferation through other means, wars of annexation have been shunned, you really don't want that to come back into a world armed with nuclear weapons. You also have an example of what happens when some countries are more pow…

When did Russia withdraw from the nuclear testing treaty?

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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No. I'm claiming that a compromised peace in the Donbas with the annexation of territories of the Donbas and Crimea will further strengthen that if you have nukes you have a massive lever to use against non-nuclear nations. And Russia wants the Donbas, Crimea and the land bridge all the way around the Sea of Azov, that's a massive plot of land. You are only considering a narrow point in time, think ahead in terms of…

> based on wishful thinking of what you project Trump will do, it's all from your head, not from his words. Since we're off-topic already can I just emphasize this point? Pretty much everybody I know who has or will vote for Trump is like this. For example, I knew one guy who voted for Trump because he thought Trump would legalize marijuana.

He explicitly said he'll try to get peace before he even gets sworn into office.

I don't think he'll succeed that quick, but that's way better than pushing for further conflict.

And again, under his administration we saw more peace than any president since at least Clinton.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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I think for a lot of people, myself included, you try not to worry about things you can't control. "Worrying is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn't get you anywhere. Write that down." - Van Wilder

While this apathy is an important coping mechanism to some degree, it's important not to become complacent. It's precisely this apathy and hopelessness that authoritarian regimes cultivate to prevent action.

I don't think this registers as apathy in this context. Maybe you live in a country that has nuclear weapons and can vote for one leader or another. This may or may not have some impact on things. Certainly, we cannot influence what other countries do with their arsenals. Our mental stacks can only run so deep & I'd wager for most of us, the things that are in our sphere of influence simply take priority.

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literally all the Russians have to do is stop and go back home and the war is over. they will never do that because they elected a President who is named Putin and now he has a Hitleresque dream of taking all the old Soviet vassal states back. He is the one doing this and he is the one you will have to convince to stop; although I am sure there are plenty of yes men that he has attracted to his orbit to support his c…

Correct. Russians should absolutely go home.

You're pushing forward a neoliberal wet dream that he wants the whole eastern bloc.

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