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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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It's a pretty sad thought that everybody will be on a drug that keeps weight in check while most people will still eat a basically toxic diet. Weight is certainly an important factor but there is more to a healthy life.

It’s not clear to me that this is the case.

People in the Netherlands eat such shit food — but they are so healthy because they move a lot and aren’t obese.

I’m not sure that food quality is as important as we sometimes hope it is (after all, we pay for quality)

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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FWIW, I was prescribed a GLP-1, but my insurance will not cover it. It's incredibly expensive out of pocket.

What about compounding pharmacies like Hims.com? It's $400/mo month to month but $200/mo if you pay a year upfront.

$400/mo will get you tirzepatide (zepbound), if you're okay with semaglutide (ozempic) it'll probably be about half that.

Although tirzepatide just got knocked off the shortage list last week so it could become harder to get in compounded form.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding GLP-1 agonists can actually modulate the reward pathway reducing people's appetite for toxic diets. We're not socially caught up yet to this information. I suspect there are folks who believe that regardless of similar outcome (reduction of toxic diet), that changing diet without medication is superior to those who change their behavior through pharmacological intervention. It's like the pre-199…

You can literally do the same thing by eating a healthy diet for 2-4 weeks.

Not to argue for or against Ozempic, but there is a difference between what motivated individuals can achieve on their own, and what one can expect of the general population.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control, e.g decreasing alcohol consumption [0], which the article mentions. Also, as Tyler Cowen writes [1], this is probably going to translate into big improvements for animal welfare: > People lose weight on these drugs because they eat less, and eating less usually means eating less meat. And less meat consumption results in less factory farming. This s…

> big improvements for animal welfare Is it? It might reduce the amount of animals killed, sure, but it won't improve the well-being of the ones that are still raised.

It also reduces the number of animals that suffer if the suffering is more important to your ethics.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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I’m just as curious as to why some people are so willing to take numerous medications, while others go to any lengths to avoid them. Some people are happy to be on an SSRI, sleeping pill, statin, low dose aspirin, and a few others, and aren’t bothered by this. Other people seem instinctively revolted by prescription drugs, seeing toxins pushed by evil corporations. Is it a trust issue?

I personally detest and avoid all medicines other than antibiotics and vaccines. Pharmaceuticals have a long track record of harboring “side effects” that only become apparent years later.

In general, why are we surprised that the chronic use of any substance has negative effects? Humans evolved for thousands of years eating food and drinking water. Regularly consuming anything else is an abberration and self-experiment.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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It's a pretty sad thought that everybody will be on a drug that keeps weight in check while most people will still eat a basically toxic diet. Weight is certainly an important factor but there is more to a healthy life.

I've been on wegovy for almost two years now, and I can attest to how much you just DONT want to eat junk anymore. It's one of the most commonly talked about things we discuss with other users over the last few years. That and lower want to drink, and gaining back so much of energy/time due to not having to think about food every 3 seconds of the day.

I'm super satisfied just having an apple or two now. The "omg I need to eat, ohh a burger" is gone.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> big improvements for animal welfare Is it? It might reduce the amount of animals killed, sure, but it won't improve the well-being of the ones that are still raised.

While this entire chain of thought seems a bit far fetched, I think the reasoning here is that if you lower the demand for meat, you don’t have to resort to factory farming.

When was the last time you saw profitability increase, even remain stagnant, when demand declined?

Let's be real. If demand for meat declines, producers will have to double down on "factories" in order to remain solvent.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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I don’t want this to come out insensitive or from under the rock, but why is taking a drug a novel & cool idea (all of a sudden/recently) as opposed to good old fashioned working out and not eating more than what you need? okay, this drug is all kinds of great and it’s the next best thing since green grapes, still not eating more and workout is better than taking drugs that effect your brain right? Are doctors requir…

Telling people they are morally bankrupt sinners (slothful and gluttonous) and heaping guilt and shame on their shoulders has unsurprisingly failed to stop the issue.

Why do you think that telling people to “just stop being fat” will suddenly start working?

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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There's some evidence that Ozempic improves general impulse control, e.g decreasing alcohol consumption [0], which the article mentions. Also, as Tyler Cowen writes [1], this is probably going to translate into big improvements for animal welfare: > People lose weight on these drugs because they eat less, and eating less usually means eating less meat. And less meat consumption results in less factory farming. This s…

> big improvements for animal welfare Is it? It might reduce the amount of animals killed, sure, but it won't improve the well-being of the ones that are still raised.

This gets into a deep philosophical question people spend too much time arguing about. In short, some would argue suffering is multiplied by the number of sentient beings that experience it, others would argue only the average "amount" of suffering matters. You can end with some absurd paradoxes if you take either to their extremes.

The reality is probably somewhere in the middle.

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