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Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

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Re: Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

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I was here when this all started.

When Android surfaced, it did not look blatantly like the iPhone. That is, until the Galaxy appeared. From the moment I saw a Galaxy prototype it was obvious: they were going to get sued.

Whether or not the iOS vs Android war makes sense at a high level is an interesting discussion, but this is pretty simple: Samsung practically begged to be the first to get sued. There isn't a lot to say about it after that.

Re: Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

#42

When you work for a company that does this, you owe it to your integrity to resign. The government is too incompetent to fix this mess, and market pressure isn't going to do it either. That leaves us, the actual engineers. It's our job to tell the companies we work for that litigating instead of competing isn't acceptable.

Perhaps you should define "this".

Re: Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

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post #42

When you work for a company that does this, you owe it to your integrity to resign. The government is too incompetent to fix this mess, and market pressure isn't going to do it either. That leaves us, the actual engineers. It's our job to tell the companies we work for that litigating instead of competing isn't acceptable.

Perhaps you should define "this".

Uses software patents offensively.

Re: Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

#44

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To the contrary, what it tells me is that Apple has lost confidence in its own ability to win on good ideas and good execution and is now being run by investors looking for quarterly returns and lawyers thinking this is actually a constructive way to "leverage the money they spend on R&D".

Or, they're trying to prevent Windows 95 all over again.

Preventing Windows 95 would have been great for consumers, because competition is bad.

Re: Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

#45

When you work for a company that does this, you owe it to your integrity to resign. The government is too incompetent to fix this mess, and market pressure isn't going to do it either. That leaves us, the actual engineers. It's our job to tell the companies we work for that litigating instead of competing isn't acceptable.

Since you work at Google I am assuming you're going to resign as well ?

Because the FRAND abuses originated by Motorola and supported by Google is some of the most disgraceful behaviour seen in the industry since the days of Rambus. You don't participate in the creation of a standard and then turn around and sue companies who adopt those standards in good faith. It undermines the entire industry. If other companies had done this there would be no WiFi, Bluetooth, USB etc.

Anyway I assume that you're fully supportive of the FTC/EU investigating Google for anti-competitive behaviour ?

Re: Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

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These patent wars don't help anyone but Apple, and directly hurts consumers. I don't think this is what anyone wants. It actually sickens me to see the law enacted in this way. I really hope this comes back to bit Apple in the ass. It seems there has been a story about Apple doing something shitty everyday for the past few days, and the taste it leaves in my mouth is just getting worse and worse.

First, I'd like to note that the article provides a very poor summary of the patents. That said, I'd like to throw this devil's argument out there as to why these patent wars help consumers: These patent wars might help consumers by allowing Apple to leverage the money they spend on R&D, giving them the traction necessary to invest further R&D, and pushing Apple's competitors to come up with new and different ideas.…

When Apple's competitors copied the iPod Mini, Apple didn't sue them. Apple scrapped the Mini and came out with an even more popular product.

I guess now that Apple is without Steve, they have lost the creative drive to innovate. With how good Jelly Bean looks and how good the SIII looks, Apple does not need to worry about clones.

Re: Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

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Arguably, forcing other company's to innovate could be a Good thing. Is a rectangle with rounded edges the one and only perfect tablet shape? I don't know, but if everyone just copy's the iPad it's going to take a even longer to find out. The windows tiles may or may not be an advance, but they are clearly not a row of buttons just like the 1st gen iPhone and 2 out of every 3 smart phones that followed.

You're absolutely right. The next tablet will look like this: http://allthingsd.com/files/2011/12/triangle_tablet.png

No it will look like this:

http://images.wikia.com/victorious/images/6/65/That_guys_Pea...

Re: Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

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So apple should be off the hook for innovation once it's released a product and gained a "market position"? I'm sorry but I'm always going to have trouble with the idea of a company resting on its laurels, yet bringing continual revenue in year after year after year because a piece of government paper says that no one else is allowed to do anything remotely resembling what that company is doing since they got there f…

> So apple should be off the hook for innovation once it's released a product and gained a "market position"? I don't see evidence that Apple is resting on their laurels, but I do remember what happened with Mac OS and Windows back in the 80s/early 90s. > "A means of searching multiple databases and sources for data." Last I checked federated search has had a wikipedia article since 2005. Hardly seems like innovation…

once you go down the road of touch interfaces, but it's worth remembering why we're down that road at all now

Yeah that Star Trek was a great show.

Re: Judge grants Apple an injunction against the Galaxy Nexus

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Are you suggesting Apple was the first company to create a rectangular tablet with rounded edges?

C'mon. http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tablets-befor... We can argue whether or not it's right for Apple to fight to protect this design, but let's not pretend that these tablets were developed completely independent of the iPad's design.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EtchASketch10-23-2004.jpg

Some of those earlier tablets had rounded corners.

I imagine many of them would have looked much more like the modern tablets had technology been available at the time. For example, the battery, the weight, the durable glass, the display, the wireless options... all these things contributed to the ability to make a tablet without big rubber bumpers on the side of it.

Yes, Apple's design is nicer looking and they should be respected for pushing forward the manufacturing technology. But we don't allow auto makers to sue each other and block the sales of entire models because curves are in fashion one year and more angular shapes in fashion the next.

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