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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by grecy »

karlgkk wrote: post #47
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use it every day, but HN says it doesn’t work

A single person's evidence isn't helpful. People doing testing at scale of Tesla's solution (even the latest version), have found a few interventions happen an hour (or at least per day), especially on busy streets or in situations where weather isn't complimentary. It cannot be truly an autonomous robotaxi without VERY HIGH reliability. One intervention per hour is one too many.

I agree. And the very important question is how quickly is it improving?

What if it’s one an hour now, one a day next year and one a week in 2026?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by sureglymop »

This is honestly quite painful to see. Makes me all the happier to live in Switzerland and be able to use great trains and public transport everyday. (It's definitely not cheap though but the comfort is amazing)

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by SmartJerry »

marsten wrote: post #172

The most interesting thing to me by far was the lack of a steering wheel on the Robocab. Without manual controls, vague promises ("puffery"?) about autonomy won't drive vehicle sales as they do today across all Tesla's models. The Robocab as shown literally cannot function (or make a dime of revenue) until they've fully solved autonomy and have convinced regulators of the same.

Autonomy is solved. It will have hiccups/mistakes, but fewer than a human driver makes. The lack of steering wheel is solved by having support drivers who can work it remotely when the passenger presses a 'help' button or similar.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by iknowstuff »

seattle_spring wrote: post #348
iknowstuff wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) did u miss the robovan 2) these are supposed to be purchasable and they're very fucking cool 3) the model x with its gull wing doors is as cool as first shown.

> the model x with its gull wing doors is as cool as first shown. This could be a literal textbook example of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I literally laugh out loud when i see a Model X open its doors.

ok. I think you missed the point so to be clear: it’s exactly as first shown, and the doors are a big selling point.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by SmartJerry »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #15

Anybody know why the autonomous taxi isn't just a model 3? I don't see the point in a purpose built two seater with no steering wheel or pedals and I don't know why regulators would approve an autonomous car with no way to manually override it.

Because most Uber rides are 1-2 person and a car designed to be smaller is cheaper.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by yunwal »

panick21_ wrote: post #514

I'm not a Musk hater but this vision of the future just doesn't seem that interesting. I'm from Switzerland, I much rather have trains and well timed buses. Buses already exists and paying drivers isn't actually that big a problem. Society can easily pay for that, if you take into account the reduction in investment and cost you have from other road use. Musk promise of 'less parking lots' can already be easily achie…

> Can you imagine the horror of a large city where most people each use an individual vehicle? That just dystopia.

Yes

- every American

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by sureglymop »

gorgoiler wrote: post #176
binarynate wrote: post #168

It's ironic that the example he gives for driving across LA already has a fast train connection: > People that live in LA, I mean try to get from Pasadena to El Segundo during rush hour. You can fly to another city faster than you get to crosstown LA. And you have to drive the whole way. You can take the Metro A line from Pasadena, then transfer to the C line to get to El Segundo. No driving necessary. Musk sells car…

The meme version of this would be: Musk : Mom, can I have national infrastructure on which I can safely and reliably operate my semi autonomous vehicles? Mom : We have infrastructure at home. The Infrastructure : a rail network with communal seating, infrequent service, and a minimal set of fixed route options. If, through the accidents of human history, we spend the next century repurposing highways as railroads for…

Maybe reflect on how you got to congested 10-lane highways in the first place if the opportunity permits.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by SmartJerry »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #257
porphyra wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one detail that is clear is that existing Teslas won't be taxiing anyone, and Tesla will be the operator reaping the benefits Elon said you will be able to buy a Cybercab for under $30,000 and individual owners will be able to "tend to [your robotaxi fleet] like a flock of sheep".

So it is 100% true that the promise for your current Tesla was broken. But don't worry, an additional $30k will fix it. Yeah, not sure how this is supposed to be a positive reply.

He also said at the event that all Teslas would have the same robotaxi features.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by SmartJerry »

jaarse wrote: post #82
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use it every day, but HN says it doesn’t work

I also have a 2024 Tesla with FSD, but stopped trusting it. Here’s the thing, it works great for 30-40 minutes, until it doesn’t and makes a completely wrong move almost causing an accident without user intervention. And yes, I’m talking about v12.5.1 In the last month, it’s driven onto grass where there used to be an off ramp that was redone last year, cut across 3 lanes of highway traffic within 200 feet of an off…

I suspect this is the same hyper-vigilance a spouse gets when the other is driving. Somehow I can go 20 years without an accident but everytime the spouse is in the car it's not the same as 'their' driving so they constantly feel the need to backseat drive and press the imaginary break. Not saying Tesla driving is perfect but it's better than a lot of drivers I know.
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