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"Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by nolist_policy »

kuhsaft wrote: post #65
drivebycomment wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone jumping up and down about MV3 while using Mac or iOS are hypocrites, since MV3 is essentially doing the same thing Safari did years ago, finally matching the security and the privacy in that regard. The reduction in adblocking is so miniscule in aggregate - since declarative approach will always cover all the major advertisers - that it's not even a meaningful "trade-off".

It’s similar, but not the same. Safari lets you dynamically generate rules that are then compiled for privacy and efficiency. The limits were increased to 150000 rules per content blocker due to user demands [1]. And each extension can have multiple content blockers. MV3 has a measly 30000 static rule limit. These rules are included with the extension and cannot be updated dynamically. And a 5000 dynamic rules limit.…

The limit is 330000 rules:

"Based on input from the extension community, we also increased the number of rulesets for declarativeNetRequest, allowing extensions to bundle up to 330,000 static rules and dynamically add a further 30,000." https://blog.chromium.org/2024/05/manifest-v2-phase-out-begi....

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by sbrother »

varun_ch wrote: post #15
Kelteseth wrote: post #2

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/

Chrome to Firefox is a relatively easy switch, especially for those that don’t depend on Google sync. The main sources of friction for me were the lack of a good profile switching UI (solved with a browser extension that mimics the Chrome menu), and weird security requirements for homemade extensions (IIRC if you want to have the extension persist after restarting Firefox, you need to sign the extension, which is a p…

In the past I've had a lot of issues with Google properties not working properly on Firefox -- either outright broken or using crazy amounts of CPU on Firefox but not Chromium-based browsers. Does anyone know if this is still an issue? I'd love to try again before I'm forced to by uBO breaking.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by the_gipsy »

lemagedurage wrote: post #64

For people who want to stick with a Chrome-based browser while still using the full-featured uBlock Origin: Brave will keep supporting uBlock Origin even after Manifest V2's removal from Chromium. https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/

For how long, though? And what will be the next marketing scam after crypto/tokens? Something with AI?

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by lapcat »

This submission title does not appear to be accurate. Here's what was actually said:

> October 9th 2024: an update on Manifest V2 phase-out.

> Over the last few months, we have continued with the Manifest V2 phase-out. Currently the chrome://extensions page displays a warning banner for all users of Manifest V2 extensions. Additionally, we have started disabling Manifest V2 extensions on pre-stable channels.

> We will now begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable. This change will be slowly rolled out over the following weeks. Users will be directed to the Chrome Web Store, where they will be recommended Manifest V3 alternatives for their disabled extension. For a short time, users will still be able to turn their Manifest V2 extensions back on. Enterprises using the ExtensionManifestV2Availability policy will be exempt from any browser changes until June 2025. See our May 2024 blog for more context.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by freediver »

vinnymac wrote: post #13
codetrotter wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the Orion FAQ: > Is Orion open-source? > We’re working on it! We’ve begun with some of our components and intend to open more in the future. > Forking WebKit, porting hundreds of APIs and writing a browser app from scratch has been challenging for our small team. Properly maintaining an open-source project takes time and resources we’re short on at the moment, so if you want to contribute at this time, please co…

I won’t be touching this binary with a ten foot pole until every line of code is open. Many excellent alternatives already exist that are also open and free, I don’t see a compelling argument to use this software on any device at the moment.

Curious why exactly and what is wrong with closed source paid for products? By that token nobody should be touching Safari or iOS/macOS for that matter?

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by crazygringo »

sho wrote: post #25

Hopefully this is the inflection point for Chrome. Despite all their made-up "security" reasons, everyone knows this is solely about making adblock less effective. For many users, adblock is what makes chrome bearable - and if they make it unbearable, then those users will leave. Slowly but surely. Google seems much too sure of itself making this change. I hope their arrogance pays off just the same as Microsoft's di…

> everyone knows this is solely about making adblock less effective

I thought I knew that.

Then I switched from uBlock Origin to uBlock Origin Lite in Chrome, which is compatible with Manifest v3. I was prepared for the horrible onslaught of ads, expecting at least a quarter would start getting through, ready to switch to Firefox...

...and didn't notice a single change. Not a single ad gets through.

And at the same time, loading pages feels a little faster, though I haven't measured it.

Which has now got me wondering -- what if Manifest v3 really was about security and performance all along?

Because if Google was using it to kill adblockers, they've made approximately 0% progress towards that goal as far as I can tell. If they really wanted to kill adblockers, they'd just, you know, kill adblockers. But they didn't at all.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by kccqzy »

SoftTalker wrote: post #48
drivebycomment wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone jumping up and down about MV3 while using Mac or iOS are hypocrites, since MV3 is essentially doing the same thing Safari did years ago, finally matching the security and the privacy in that regard. The reduction in adblocking is so miniscule in aggregate - since declarative approach will always cover all the major advertisers - that it's not even a meaningful "trade-off".

I see boatloads of ads in Safari on iOS. To the point that web browsing on my phone is intolerable, so I don't do it.

This is such a data-free anecdote. Which websites are showing ads? Which ad blocker did you install on iOS?

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by moooo99 »

sho wrote: post #25

Hopefully this is the inflection point for Chrome. Despite all their made-up "security" reasons, everyone knows this is solely about making adblock less effective. For many users, adblock is what makes chrome bearable - and if they make it unbearable, then those users will leave. Slowly but surely. Google seems much too sure of itself making this change. I hope their arrogance pays off just the same as Microsoft's di…

Adblock doesn’t only make Google Chrome bearable, it makes the internet bearable. I recently uninstalled my Adblock for testing purposes. Most websites nowadays are just ads with a little bit of text in between

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by surajrmal »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #59
greenie_beans wrote: post #47

can i just setup dns blocking on my network to block the ad requests? especially on youtube, ublock origin stopped working a few weeks ago.

Not enough, especially since your browser may weasel out of it by using its own DNS via DoH.

Are you aware of any that do this? I've been using pihole for years and have no complaints. I've only seen smart TVs seem to do this, although it's usually configurable.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Post by emestifs »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #74
emestifs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inject dll's from the internet right into the browser. Yes, let's!

I'm not convinced that this is a good idea, but I don't think that's the reason; don't all your dlls come from the internet?

My comment was sarcasm.

The difference here is are you downloading a random dll from a well known source or from http://free-vpn-fast-internet.dwnloadfree.ru/free-chrome-vpn...? My mom isn't going to know the difference and will click the big green DOWNLOAD NOW button blindly.

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