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"Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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post #23

Darn, ublock also no longer works on Firefox for YouTube. At the beginning of each video there is one forced ad and sometimes the video stops for no reason. I suppose they want everyone to stop using the Internet and read books.

I run uBO on FF, and I've yet to see any forced ads or video stops.

I'm on FF 131.0.2 with uBO 1.60.0.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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post #25

Hopefully this is the inflection point for Chrome. Despite all their made-up "security" reasons, everyone knows this is solely about making adblock less effective. For many users, adblock is what makes chrome bearable - and if they make it unbearable, then those users will leave. Slowly but surely. Google seems much too sure of itself making this change. I hope their arrogance pays off just the same as Microsoft's di…

Agreed on hoping this is the inflection point, but only partial agreement that it's about adblock. For sure Google wants adblock to die, but I think it goes even deeper than that. I think it's part of a much bigger trend in tech in general but also in Google: Removing user control. When you look at the "security" things they are doing, many of them have a common philosophy underpinning them that the user (aka device…

yes, iOS now restricts Apps from getting blanket access to their contacts, photos, and even clipboard. On the one hand, it does protect the user from malicious Apps that trick users into giving blanket access. On the other hand, they could have atleast done it like location access - where user still has an option to give blanket access. It is not fair that Siri is the only one that can access these things now.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

#73
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw there is a manifest v3 ublock lite. I don't understand why and how it would be less capable, and so far I have not read the details of how/why. So far, it's just rumors to me. I will keep using firefox anyway, but honestly I am still waiting for a clearer explanation.

With manifest v2, the extension could dynamically intercept requests and block them based on a custom rule. With v3, extensions have to predefine the rules for blocking. Which is the limiting factor

> extensions have to predefine the rules for blockin

And there's a limit of 5000 such rules.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

#74
post #8

Can't we avoid the Manifest bullshit altogether? I remember how IE plugins roles: just dll inject into the process.

Inject dll's from the internet right into the browser. Yes, let's!

I'm not convinced that this is a good idea, but I don't think that's the reason; don't all your dlls come from the internet?

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

#76
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With manifest v2, the extension could dynamically intercept requests and block them based on a custom rule. With v3, extensions have to predefine the rules for blocking. Which is the limiting factor

> extensions have to predefine the rules for blockin And there's a limit of 5000 such rules.

The limit is 330000 rules:

"Based on input from the extension community, we also increased the number of rulesets for declarativeNetRequest, allowing extensions to bundle up to 330,000 static rules and dynamically add a further 30,000." https://blog.chromium.org/2024/05/manifest-v2-phase-out-begi....

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Has anyone been using the v3 compatible version of uBlock Origin? Have you noticed much of a difference? From what I read there isn't supposed to be much of a difference?

Another happy user of uBlock Origin Lite on Chrome here. No difference. 1Blocker on Safari user since Apple came out with the declarative adblocking system there as well.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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post #25

Hopefully this is the inflection point for Chrome. Despite all their made-up "security" reasons, everyone knows this is solely about making adblock less effective. For many users, adblock is what makes chrome bearable - and if they make it unbearable, then those users will leave. Slowly but surely. Google seems much too sure of itself making this change. I hope their arrogance pays off just the same as Microsoft's di…

Agreed on hoping this is the inflection point, but only partial agreement that it's about adblock. For sure Google wants adblock to die, but I think it goes even deeper than that. I think it's part of a much bigger trend in tech in general but also in Google: Removing user control. When you look at the "security" things they are doing, many of them have a common philosophy underpinning them that the user (aka device…

It is important, I think, to understand that personal computing is just one part of the picture. "Enterprise" environments (governments, businesses, large organizations, etc.) have demanded many of these "features" even before Google started implementing them. Your workplace, by and large, does not want you, the replaceable person who happens to be sitting at the keyboard, to be in full control of the device that they own and which is connected to their network. Often this is made more explicit by the device just being a "thin client" or other totally locked down narrow viewport to some other computer you can't even touch. It sucks and the general trend of workplaces trusting their employees less and less has been demeaning and degenerative to the point of often fostering self-fulfilling prophecies of mistrust (don't trust anyone => get untrustworthy people => bad things happen => don't trust anyone => ...).

However, it is important to also understand that the employee is not the only stakeholder. Government agencies answer to legislators, nonprofit management answer to donors, corporate management answer to investors, etc. There are layers of compliance that must be considered as well (internal policies, external regulations, different insurance costs, etc.). It is unsurprising that these fewer but generally deep-pocketed entities have an outsized influence on the market compared to more numerous but less moneyed end users. If you refuse to serve the former, you may quickly find yourself out of business.

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

#79
post #9

Has anyone been using the v3 compatible version of uBlock Origin? Have you noticed much of a difference? From what I read there isn't supposed to be much of a difference?

I have been using the Firefox version of it for more than a year by now, basically as soon as it came out. I commented on HN that I was going to do it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37219071 There's no difference whatsoever. And it's not surprising because on my iOS device I've been using similarly architected content blockers since 2015. There's no issue with declarative ad blocking. Of course this differs wi…

> There's no difference whatsoever.

That's simply not true. Have you ever donde a side by side comparison, or are you just going by feeling?

Re: "Begin disabling installed extensions still using Manifest V2 in Chrome stable"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the Orion FAQ: > Is Orion open-source? > We’re working on it! We’ve begun with some of our components and intend to open more in the future. > Forking WebKit, porting hundreds of APIs and writing a browser app from scratch has been challenging for our small team. Properly maintaining an open-source project takes time and resources we’re short on at the moment, so if you want to contribute at this time, please co…

Isn't Webkit GPL? How is it not open source?

Just a general rule of thumb that has served me well: If it's GPL, Apple wouldn't be using it. Apple hates the GPL as it is the antithesis of their operating model.
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