Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

nobelprize.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 389 posts

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

#121

Post by dogben »

Metacelsus wrote: post #110
kaon_ wrote: post #29

At home I have a book telling stories of Dutch WW2 survivors still living today. One of them was an eye witness account of the Hiroshima bomb. He was a POW and worked in a quarry or mine on the outskirts of town. He saw a single plane fly over. A bomb dropped with a parachute attached. Moments later he was flung to the back of the quarry and the city was gone. I would never have guessed there were eyewitnesses like t…

Little Boy didn't have a parachute. Maybe he was mis-remembering that.

There were instruments dropped by parachute.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

#123

Post by kachapopopow »

krisoft wrote: post #77
kachapopopow wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The atomic bombs weren't close enough to vaporize anyone since they were detonated in the air, what you see is disintegration which is a little bit different and instead of turning the human body into what could be considered "nothing" the materials are torn apart and get embedded into the surrounding environment. Some vaporization did occur, but only on plants and the skin tissue of humans.

> instead of turning the human body into what could be considered "nothing" You can't turn material into "nothing". At best you can turn it into equivalent amount of energy if you collide it with antimatter. That being said I don't really feel the difference between "vaporisation" and "disintegration". In both cases you stop being biology and start being physics in a subjective instant. (at least from the perspective…

By "nothing" is that there isn't a piece of you that is still you. Disintegration means that we can still find pieces of "you" in the environment. Not sure if there's any recoverable DNA left thought, that was most likely destroyed by the other waves of the atomic bomb.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

#124

Post by exmadscientist »

thimabi wrote: post #93
gus_massa wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Customary international law" is written by countries that can win a huge wae that are countries that have nuclear weapons, so they will not forbid themself the use of nuclear weapons.

As the name says, customary international law is not written. It arises from international practices that have become so widespread that states begin to recognize they have a legal obligation to continue them (opinio juris). Current literature says that the non-usage of nuclear weapons has become a widespread international practice, but that the resistance of nuclear powers has prevented the formation of an “opinio j…

Doesn't the history of war in the twentieth century (because we've got to start somewhere) suggest that "international law" means absolutely fucking nothing at fucking all when it comes to major wars?

Why bother?

What are you going to do to enforce it, invade the guy who just nuked/invaded you/your friends?

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

#125

Post by cchi_co »

kaon_ wrote: post #29

At home I have a book telling stories of Dutch WW2 survivors still living today. One of them was an eye witness account of the Hiroshima bomb. He was a POW and worked in a quarry or mine on the outskirts of town. He saw a single plane fly over. A bomb dropped with a parachute attached. Moments later he was flung to the back of the quarry and the city was gone. I would never have guessed there were eyewitnesses like t…

[dead]

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

#126

Post by cynicalpeace »

bspammer wrote: post #115
cynicalpeace wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

The candidate I assume you’re voting for increased the future nuclear threat last time he was in office by pulling out of the Iran deal, for no good reason at all. He’s also one of the most jingoistic people in politics.

A lot less war under his admin than now. And I voted for the current admin.

He's more jingoistic than Dick Cheney?

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

#128

Post by cchi_co »

mppm wrote: post #17

This is indeed a very timely award. I sometimes feel like the world has forgotten that nuclear weapons still exist and are still on hair-trigger alert to obliterate major cities. Maybe the end of atmospheric testing and the success of (now defunct) weapons reduction treaties has blunted public perception to the ongoing threat that they represent, and to the need to tread carefully where nuclear powers are involved.

[dead]

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

#129

Post by piva00 »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #98
fifilura wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but how? Obviously the invader is not going to stop the war and say "this was foolish". So it is up to all other nations to bow down and let them have their piece of the world.

[flagged]

Can we think on the next step then? A nuclear nation invades and annexes territories from a non-nuclear one, given the premise to avoid wars between nuclear powers by proxy it means that a nuclear nation can then invade and annex anything in their surroundings with little repercussion, since we want to avoid any escalation towards nuclear powers at war. They settle for peace, the nuclear power gets what they want, stops for a while to re-arm, and then pushes to another non-nuclear nation.

What would stop other nations from pursuing their own nukes if that's the case? It also would make any military alliance such as NATO moot, there are only 3 nuclear powers in the alliance, any other country in the alliance which gets invaded by a nuclear power wouldn't be able to call for help since we want to avoid nuclear confrontation.

This only spirals more and more, countries without nukes are at a massive disadvantage, they will naturally seek nukes to protect themselves, just increasing the odds that a nuclear exchange will happen by sheer statistics.

> This is why I will be voting for the candidate who was not endorsed by Dick Cheney.

Proving my point that you don't think very rationally at all.

Re: Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

#130

Post by mppm »

satvikpendem wrote: post #106

I recently went to the Hiroshima museum. I had originally thought that people simply vaporized when the bomb hit, but that is not the case. The museum shows how people's skin simply sloughed off and some were holding parts in their hands as they walked around to find their loved ones. But the worst part was radiation poisoning. Many that did not initially get hit and burned directly went towards the center of the cit…

As an addition (and correction) to this, powerful thermonuclear weapons don't vaporize anyone either. They are targeted for high-altitude airbursts and kill through a combination of burns and building collapse, plus secondary fires, infection and breakdown of emergency services. The majority of the victims would not die an instant death.

For more information: https://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.html

Post reply on HN