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Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo

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Post by glandium »

yread wrote: post #75
melasadra wrote: post #69

As some other commenters have pointed out: It is lamentable that the focus is almost always on the atomic bombing itself instead of why it came to that point at all. Many Asian countries feel scant sympathy toward Japan. From Indonesia to Malaysia to the Philipipines or even worse and for much longer, in Korea and China. In each of these countries the Japanese perpetrated massacre, forced labour, gang rape and forced…

There are also well-maintained shrines (like Yasukuni) to the Japanese war criminals frequented even by high-level politicians (former PM went there, current ministers went there). Imagine that in current Germany!

The Yasukuni situation is more complex than "the shrine for war criminals". A lot more people are enshrined there, the war criminals are a tiny fraction (and were only added in 1978, while the shrine was established 109 years earlier). To give you an example of an important and less controversial figure enshrined there: Sakamoto Ryōma. There are 2+ millions souls enshrined there.

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Post by mihaaly »

kdhusakdjhsadkj wrote: post #74

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I believe the west cares that much to pretent that they have doubt about interfering drastically in the life of heterogeneous and diverse view people grouped together geographically and called country. Showing that they respect independence and self governance. A rigteous self image to cloak cowardnes towards risky acts you know.

Also global assholes cover each other's ass and there are quite a few of them.

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Post by cynicalpeace »

verisimi wrote: post #92
cynicalpeace wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I know others will disagree, but it's not something you wanna take a gamble on." Far more important than 18th century vs stone age debate is the fact that there are people in charge that would lead us down either path.

> there are people in charge that would lead us down either path Must you follow?

Would love not to. But I'm not the decider whether we head down the path of nuclear armageddon.

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Post by tomp »

walthamstow wrote: post #7

I visited the Hiroshima museum last year. They've got a set of stone steps, a person was sat there when the bomb went off and they were simply vaporised. The stone steps bear the residue of the person, almost like a shadow.

Are you sure that's the explanation?

It could be (and I think it's more likely) that the rest of the stone was lightened, and the part in the shadow, wasn't.

No "residue of a person", just literally "shadow".

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Shadow_Etched_in_Stone

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Post by thimabi »

tomp wrote: post #97

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Nuclear weapons have not prevented major world powers from engaging in proxy wars. As we can see today in the Middle East, proxy wars can make things dangerous and more likely to lead to an unwanted escalation.

Mutually assured destruction works best when the number of involved parties is limited. If every state were to have a warhead of its own, many risks would increase: those of miscalculation, nuclear proliferation to non-state actors, etc.

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Post by satvikpendem »

I recently went to the Hiroshima museum. I had originally thought that people simply vaporized when the bomb hit, but that is not the case. The museum shows how people's skin simply sloughed off and some were holding parts in their hands as they walked around to find their loved ones.

But the worst part was radiation poisoning. Many that did not initially get hit and burned directly went towards the center of the city to find their families and over the course of days, months and years, they almost always died a slow, painful death, with their teeth falling out and their skin and organs becoming necrotic.

Truly, everyone should visit Hiroshima or Nagasaki at some point, if only to understand what true horrors nuclear weapons create. And those are only atomic weapons of the 1940s, the hydrogen bombs we have today that fuse instead of fiss are orders of magnitude more powerful, but at least those under their effects (near the epicenter) will die a quick vaporized death instantaneously.

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Post by fragmede »

timeon wrote: post #90
dsign wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I think it's one of the reasons we have to be self sustaining on other heavenly bodies. This is not a joke. But every time anybody brings it up a mob shows up saying that we must make it work here on Earth, and we should all go to hell if we can't. But we only need a few madmen in power for the rest of us to not matter.

Point is that if we can not behave on Earth how can we do it in other place.

it's an open question as to how interplanetary politics will actually go. it's possible that ancient squabbles between countries will carryover, but hopefully they won't, which means that a terrorist's nuclear bomb causing MAD on Earth wouldn't necessarily carryover to MAD on a terraformed Mars and Lunar colonies, as we saw with the Russians who boarded the ISS in blue and yellow. But even if it doesn't, Earth being hit by an asteroid is another scenario that being a multi-planetary species would prevent our extinction in.

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Post by fifilura »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #98
fifilura wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but how? Obviously the invader is not going to stop the war and say "this was foolish". So it is up to all other nations to bow down and let them have their piece of the world.

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I am not talking about any conflict in particular. I am just pointing out that this is the consequence of that kind of policy.

The world is not black and white.

And that also gives you the right to choose what part of the grayscale you want to be, good on you!

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Post by Metacelsus »

kaon_ wrote: post #29

At home I have a book telling stories of Dutch WW2 survivors still living today. One of them was an eye witness account of the Hiroshima bomb. He was a POW and worked in a quarry or mine on the outskirts of town. He saw a single plane fly over. A bomb dropped with a parachute attached. Moments later he was flung to the back of the quarry and the city was gone. I would never have guessed there were eyewitnesses like t…

Little Boy didn't have a parachute. Maybe he was mis-remembering that.
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