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Graphic on Twitter says that ~90% of car trips consist of 1-2 people.
That's a huge amount of capex to spend for a low marginal cost though.
One could make the point this is better for the environment that hauling a multi-ton SUV around. /European perspective
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#203About the Robotaxi: I really, really wanted to impressed by what they will demo. However, I thought it was more marketing, with the product being "just two years away" as always. The demo was in a controlled environment so I doubt its real-life capability. I guess I will believe it when I see it on roads. Disappointed.
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#205Robotaxi & Optumus robot still looks to be years and years away. However, I'm pretty fond of the idea of having distributed compute nodes that performs computations when idle, the idea of reclaiming parking lots, the induction charging and vacuum bots looks pretty sleek as well.
He just bought a massive data center with thousands of Nvidia boards. Why would the car be an efficient place to do the same work?
I don't believe it would be efficient, or do I know what compute load he intends these to be. But it's some use for idling hardware.
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Huh? Hyundai has Tesla-tier automated factories that churn out EVs, and they’re building plants around the world. I don’t think they care who buys their cars. Tesla sold a bunch of cars to Hertz which turned out to be terrible for Hertz, but great for Tesla.
>Huh? Hyundai has Tesla-tier automated factories that churn out EVs, and they’re building plants around the world. I don’t think they care who buys their cars. They very much care if they are selling their cars to an entity that is striving to make them irrelevant. Think about it: If the world moves to a car sharing system where any type of car is available on demand and no one actually owns a car, do you think anyon…
Waymo partnered with Hyundai on the Ioniq 5 because Hyundai just rolled out the first Ioniq 5 from their Georgia “metaplant” literally yesterday.
They’re one of the few companies mass-manufacturing affordable EVs in the US.
Toyota doesn’t make many EVs and none in the US? Mercedes doesn’t make affordable cars in general?
Waymo is clearly focused on cost reduction and EVs. Hyundai is clearly focused on selling as many Ioniq 5s in the US they possibly can (and most to consumers directly!). I don’t know, seems pretty clear cut to me.
I also don’t see any future in which Waymo builds a metaplant?
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#208The most interesting thing to me by far was the lack of a steering wheel on the Robocab. Without manual controls, vague promises ("puffery"?) about autonomy won't drive vehicle sales as they do today across all Tesla's models. The Robocab as shown literally cannot function (or make a dime of revenue) until they've fully solved autonomy and have convinced regulators of the same.
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All that puffery is overestimated in the short term, and underestimated in the long term.
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It doesn't matter because it's a meaningless statistic. But sure, I'll entertain it. Last figure I heard was 1 disengagement per 200 miles. The distance between SF and LA is 380 miles. If my car can drive me from SF to LA and I only have to intervene once , that's already incredible and leagues ahead of what Waymo can offer. And since you asked, FSD 12.6 will reduce disengagements per mile by 5x.
You do realize that Waymos don't have drivers behind the wheel, right?
You do realize you cannot buy a Waymo for your own use?
You do realize Waymo will only operate in geofenced areas in select cities that have been premapped down to the millimeter?
Waymo is not even remotely close, nor attempting to solve the same problem. This is coming from someone who lives in SF and takes Waymo regularly. Waymo is a cool tech demo and that's about it; FSD is a real tool that people everywhere can actually use to take them where they want to go.
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#210They haven’t even gotten self driving working with driver still at the wheel, how are they supposed to convince us that they can do fully autonomous?
I use it every day, but HN says it doesn’t work
If it worked, why postpone all of this? Again? It works 'well enough' when there is a human on board, without one, it's just not safe enough yet.