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Re: Bridge to Nowhere

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Sometimes, this is the gift of having a trained chaplain, pastor, or advocate with you who has navigated these moments before. I’ve been in these moments with people in my church, and I don’t think it is always about the doctors or healthcare providers withholding info. Sometimes, you are the tenth person they have seen in a short period of time, so they are trying to communicate as best as they can, as efficiently a…

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Previous poster was pretty clear their advice has nothing to do with religion as such:

"Having someone - doesn’t have to be religious to be clear - who has been in those rooms can be helpful."

Starting a flame about religion is very not appropriate. Please don't do that.

Re: Bridge to Nowhere

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Previous poster was pretty clear their advice has nothing to do with religion as such: "Having someone - doesn’t have to be religious to be clear - who has been in those rooms can be helpful." Starting a flame about religion is very not appropriate. Please don't do that.

And I started with "As you say we do need better advocacy and more transparency in difficult situations" and I agree with that.

I just want religion left out of such topics, because it makes everything worse.

Re: Bridge to Nowhere

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Sometimes, this is the gift of having a trained chaplain, pastor, or advocate with you who has navigated these moments before. I’ve been in these moments with people in my church, and I don’t think it is always about the doctors or healthcare providers withholding info. Sometimes, you are the tenth person they have seen in a short period of time, so they are trying to communicate as best as they can, as efficiently a…

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The problem with speaking in generalities (about religion, or other) is that you likely have, or present, an incomplete picture, and one which fails to cover the very wide variety of things under that topic.

For example your categorization of "cannot tell fantasy from reality" would not be a good description of say a buddhist."

Equally binding a view of mental health to religion seems a stretch. Perhaps you have experienced that, but I suspect that connection is not universal.

I didn't downvote you, I say these things to explain why you likely were downvoted. Not because your post was about religion, but because your viewpoint is both unnecessarily broad, and kinda missed the point.

The point was that having an experienced advocate on your side, who understands the process, who isn't under the mental strain of a recent terminal diagnosis, can assist you with good decisions.

If you are in a community of faith, and it's likely that the leaders in that community have walked this path before. If you are not then seek that person from wherever you are in community.

Re: Bridge to Nowhere

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More or less, if you enter a hospital, you need a medical case manager. The case manager should be an equal or superior specialty to the treating physician. The case manager should have a medical power of attorney to make decisions concerning your care (not so much to make decisions, but to be allowed into the decision making process to advise you, and then to regulate the execution of the treating physician). In sho…

The last case manager I dealt with (Raymond Rupert) ended up getting banned from practicing medicine.[1] To this day, he still operates and is expanding his case management consultancy service. He even claims Google Canada as a client.[2]

His MO is selling people on his "exclusive network" of service providers and getting people not to trust normal doctors. He then comes up with a bunch of fake services to bill people for. He also really likes to prey on kids, because parents don't want to see their children suffer and will pay money if the kid says he's helping. Especially those that are wealthy or have trust funds.

The last straw was overprescribing benzodiazepines (incredibly addictive) to people with addiction issues.

He has good SEO, is incredibly litigious (why I'm posting this from a burner), and makes you feel good about your decisions. Most case managers do that. The service they sell is not better healthcare, but making you feel like you're getting good healthcare. Case managers sell you the idea that medicine is a giant conspiracy to bilk you out of your money. Then you accept paying the case manager a bunch of money, because at least *he's on your side*.

Generally, the doctors I see practice medicine because they want to help people, not out of a desire to make a ton of money. Sometimes their sales and social skills aren't very good because of that. OP wouldn't have had a better health outcome from a case manager in his blog post; just someone charging thousands of dollars for needless consults.

[1] https://doctors.cpso.on.ca/DoctorDetails/R-Rupert/0020809-25...

[2] https://www.cieps.com/Faculty%20bios/bio%20-%20rupert.htm

Re: Bridge to Nowhere

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It may be a bridge to nowhere for the patient but it is a profit opportunity for hospital owners. You're just another input in their number go up paperclip maximizer - where your road leads beyond their number go up is not a concern for them.

In one sense your comment is accurate - hospitals exist to "do something". And yes, in the US the hospital us part of a for-profit health system.

But your comment is not limited to hospitals. It's true for every business. If I sell an ice-cream my interest ends after you pay for it. Equally I'm not going to withhold ice-cream from overweight people - my job is to sell ice-cream.

If the hospital was a non-profit, and they felt there was no viable appropriate medical intervention, and they sent the patient home with no action you'd likely complain about that too. (I would, I go to hospital with an expectation that they'll at least try to fix me.)

It's somewhat trite to blame the profit motive, partly because that encompasses all of us, and partly because hospitals and doctors are primed for action, not inaction.

Re: Bridge to Nowhere

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It may be a bridge to nowhere for the patient but it is a profit opportunity for hospital owners. You're just another input in their number go up paperclip maximizer - where your road leads beyond their number go up is not a concern for them.

Your comment hsitory shows you really seem to like this "paperclip maximizer" analogy; I'm not sure what it means.

Maybe they are a bot that has been trained via RL to maximize their paperclip maximizer analogies.

Re: Bridge to Nowhere

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The problem with speaking in generalities (about religion, or other) is that you likely have, or present, an incomplete picture, and one which fails to cover the very wide variety of things under that topic. For example your categorization of "cannot tell fantasy from reality" would not be a good description of say a buddhist." Equally binding a view of mental health to religion seems a stretch. Perhaps you have expe…

> Equally binding a view of mental health to religion seems a stretch. Perhaps you have experienced that, but I suspect that connection is not universal.

I am saying that in the US the stigma against taking mental health seriously is structural. Consider the amount of voters who think demonic possession is real (tens of millions of people) don't vote to fund mental health services. There are millions of our fellow Americans who are real people and think mental illness is punishment from god or think homosexuality or transexuality is a choice and a sin. We shouldn't start on abortion, but every argument against choice has its roots in religion.

These people have made a huge impact on healthcare and baked in tons of little decisions into healthcare that impact all of everytime we interact with the healthcare system. Live in a state where depression meds aren't covered, or maybe only some are? Might be them?

Clearly I am discussing in the US context, as such buddhism isn't a practical and a corner-case. You can pretend I am not referring to it (even though reincarnation is clearly problematic for people attached to this life based on evidence).

Re: Bridge to Nowhere

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That's not the origin, it was said in 2003 at least: https://nickbostrom.com/ethics/ai

Ah, thanks. That's odd - my Google search results didn't have anything predating 2014. Weird. I've updated my post with the correction.

Welcome to the enshittified google. It is becoming increasingly useless to find anything that's not recent and popular.
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