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Re: California bans sell-by dates

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> Salt? Flour? Oil? Oats? Rice? Garlic? Black pepper? Most ground spices? Nuts? Beans? Honey? Vinegar? Quinoa? Sure, if you are assuming Americans are mostly eating these things daily.

Twinkies are made up almost entirely (by mass) of the things listed above. The only major thing missing is sugar.

Should you check the ingredients again? that's your definition of most?

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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Twinkies are made up almost entirely (by mass) of the things listed above. The only major thing missing is sugar.

Should you check the ingredients again? that's your definition of most?

Twinkies ingredients, minus the less than 2% (was saying most by mass):

Sugar, Water, Enriched Flour, High Fructose Corn Syrup (sugar), Tallow (animal fat/oil), Dextrose (sugar, from the HFCS), Egg

Twinkies are >98% sugar, flower, oil, with a little bit of egg.

You could substitute the tallow with other similar kinds of oils if you wanted, like say coconut oil.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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Europe has the MHD (Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum)[0] but I think I never saw it exceeding 2 years which for some products is misleading since they would be good for very much longer like seeds or marmalade for example. It will probably help to prolong certain products shelf life but it isn’t a perfect system. 0. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum

> which for some products is misleading since they would be good for very much longer

The Mindeshaltbarkeitsdatum is exactly what it says: a "best before" (MINDEST, minimum). It does not say anything about it not potentially remaining the same quality or taste after this date, and definitely not that it is dangerous to consume after. It may for example simply lose some of its taste over time, but up until that date it is "guaranteed" to taste the same ("the best").

Products that should not be consumed after a certain date (like meat) use "Zu verbrauchen bis" (use before); that is not a MHD.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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You’re right that the dates serve other purposes. The incentives aren’t as simple as avoiding wasted product. Shelf space is valuable. Food that expires is inventory that’s not selling for some reason, or it wouldn’t be on the shelf long enough to expire. It’s taking up space that could instead be used for other inventory that does sell well. So even inventory that doesn’t expire at all will get put on the discount r…

The grocery industry is heavily monopolized. No where more so than on the west coast. They don't care about their reputation because there mostly is nowhere else for you to legitimately go to.

Nearby: Safeway, Lucky’s, Target, Trader Joe’s, Ranch 99, Costco, Walmart, Cardenas, Pak N’ Save, and I’m sure I missed some. Also, a lot of Asian food marts that aren’t chains. That seems like quite a lot of competition?

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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> Most of the food that sits on the shelf for weeks shouldn't be consumed. Salt? Flour? Oil? Oats? Rice? Garlic? Black pepper? Most ground spices? Nuts? Beans? Honey? Vinegar? Quinoa? All of these can reasonably sit on a shelf for weeks. I guess none of these are safe to be consumed, all just "toxins".

> Salt? Flour? Oil? Oats? Rice? Garlic? Black pepper? Most ground spices? Nuts? Beans? Honey? Vinegar? Quinoa? All of these can reasonably sit on a shelf for weeks. They're probably full of things that are bad for you too. Your salt is full of microplastics ( https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/micro... ). Your oats are full of chlormequat. Your spices are full of heavy metals (arsenic, cadmium, an…

You're not wrong. The safest play is to not consume anything.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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The grocery industry is heavily monopolized. No where more so than on the west coast. They don't care about their reputation because there mostly is nowhere else for you to legitimately go to.

Nearby: Safeway, Lucky’s, Target, Trader Joe’s, Ranch 99, Costco, Walmart, Cardenas, Pak N’ Save, and I’m sure I missed some. Also, a lot of Asian food marts that aren’t chains. That seems like quite a lot of competition?

Safeway is owned by Albertsons. So is Lucky's. There are 58 total Ranch 99's in the USA. Costco requires membership up front. Cardenas is owned by KKR. Pak N Save is a subsidary of Safeway and also owned by Albertons. Walmart is not a grocery store.

So, no, not a lot of competition.

You really should look into grocery M&A's over the past few years. This is all easy to see if you care to _actually_ look.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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Sell by is entirely unrelated to quality though. It's just how often they think they can get away with. Like the recommendation on a box of baking soda... Put it in your fridge and change it every 30 days. No thanks.

It's not how long they can get away with, it's how long they are willing to listen to complaints about it. A sell by date makes perfect sense on salt. No packager wants to be responsible for material that sat on someone else's shelf for years and years.

I think it all makes sense when you consider that the sell by date is the date at which they’ll stop accepting responsibility. And the “best before” dates are just guidelines.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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I find food in the US contains too much toxin that harms the body. They have a lot of synthetic chemicals and preservatives. Many of which have very bad long term damages to the body. Even with these labels, sometimes it doesn't really tell the whole story about the ingredients. Most of the food that sits on the shelf for weeks shouldn't be consumed.

> Most of the food that sits on the shelf for weeks shouldn't be consumed. Salt? Flour? Oil? Oats? Rice? Garlic? Black pepper? Most ground spices? Nuts? Beans? Honey? Vinegar? Quinoa? All of these can reasonably sit on a shelf for weeks. I guess none of these are safe to be consumed, all just "toxins".

> All of these can reasonably sit on a shelf for weeks

Or for years, in a proper cupboard.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most of the food that sits on the shelf for weeks shouldn't be consumed. Salt? Flour? Oil? Oats? Rice? Garlic? Black pepper? Most ground spices? Nuts? Beans? Honey? Vinegar? Quinoa? All of these can reasonably sit on a shelf for weeks. I guess none of these are safe to be consumed, all just "toxins".

> Salt? Flour? Oil? Oats? Rice? Garlic? Black pepper? Most ground spices? Nuts? Beans? Honey? Vinegar? Quinoa? All of these can reasonably sit on a shelf for weeks. They're probably full of things that are bad for you too. Your salt is full of microplastics ( https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/micro... ). Your oats are full of chlormequat. Your spices are full of heavy metals (arsenic, cadmium, an…

None of these issues have anything to do with shelf life, though.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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post #159

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Here's something to blow your mind: Most Americans are not literate. Yes, I'm serious and I say that as a fellow American. We are not literate. So use as few words as possible and a date. Honestly we could probably do without the words, just the date.

Is minified code easier to read? No. It’s the same with regular language; shorter sentences are not always more comprehensible.

The likelihood an American will read something decreases with each word written.

Seriously: We hate reading. The fewer words the better.

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