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Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by Kye »

johnisgood wrote: post #224
edanm wrote: post #185

What. The. Hell. Just to get this straight. If you are in the business of creating websites for clients, and most of them are hosted on Wordpress.com, but a few are hosted on WPEngine, you are now forced to no longer use Wordpress.org and can't participate in the community? Our company website is hosted on WPEngine, and has been there for years because we don't really touch it much. I literally log in once a year or…

Can't you choose either way (check or not) without any repercussions? I would think that you do considering Matt's answer "I can't decide it for you [whether or not you are affiliated]".

Try it.

"Please check this box if you want to proceed."

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by oooyay »

dylan604 wrote: post #114
1-more wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Real Housewives of Computer Nerds OK you've convinced me to get invested in this.

I'm accepting scripts for this unscripted series now. We're still trying to get someone credible attached so we can get it green lit.

Silicon Valley: FOSS Foundation spinoff where Richard creates some FOSS software, figures out how to monetize it while also maintaining the illusion that it's FOSS, then goes to eight years of Burning Man and flips the script after accidentally locking himself inside a sweat lodge for the whole festival.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by _cenw »

anon7000 wrote: post #222
inlined wrote: post #130

Do you want antitrust investigations? Because this is how you get antitrust investigations. Wordpress is nearly half of the Internet. There’s a pretty compelling argument that Matt is using his market power to prevent competition in violation of the Sherman act.

I mentioned this deeper in the comment chain, but WordPress the OSS software is used by a lot of people. But there are many WordPress hosting companies, so no single legal entity would come anywhere close to a monopoly. By that logic, Linux has a monopoly on cloud web servers or something? But there’s no one company making that happen.

Thought experiment: Linus is hired by Canonical, adds Ubuntu's kernel live-patching to the kernel itself and removes kexec from the public API surface. Or we pretend it never existed in the first place, and requests and patches to add it are ignored (quite common in commercial open source).

I know there's an extra layer in the WordPress situation, because Matt personally owns wordpress.org, but he very evidently uses that position to further the goals of Automattic.

People have asked for a way to host all the wordpress.org online services themselves. There isn't even a way to configure a different endpoint. I'm sure that'll change after today, in WordPress itself, or in a fork.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by johnisgood »

Kye wrote: post #231
johnisgood wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't you choose either way (check or not) without any repercussions? I would think that you do considering Matt's answer "I can't decide it for you [whether or not you are affiliated]".

Try it. "Please check this box if you want to proceed."

If you check it despite being affiliated, are there any potential complications that could arise?

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by tr3ntg »

CameronBanga wrote: post #70

For fun, I just tried to create an account and used WPEngine.com as my email domain. I got the following error: "You cannot use that email address to signup. There are problems with them blocking some emails from WordPress. Please use another email provider."

If this is the actual error message, it's written very poorly. Sounds like it was written by someone frustrated with the fact that they had to write it at all, and made it up on the spot.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

srmarm wrote: post #79
danielfoster wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't Wordpress open source? WPE is under no obligation to contribute source code or money. If WP is unhappy with the outcome, they should have released their product under a different license.

I'd argue there is a moral obligation to support open source projects if you rely on them as a cornerstone of your business. However it's not a legal one. Open source is based on idealistic and community based mindset and modern tech is now based around extracting the dollars. The two aren't really compatible and it's really quite sad to see. That being said this the most stupid way to go about it.

I'd argue there is an even greater moral obligation to honor what your contracts say and don't say, and thus keep your word. Doing what you say is pretty key to the concept of integrity, which outweighs Matt's driving desire for more money.

The moral obligation to not screw over a million innocent users also outweighs Matt's driving desire for more money.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by AlienRobot »

johnklos wrote: post #117

The title literally made me laugh out loud. What drama! What intrigue! Can't wait to see what happens next. Honestly, I have no horse in the race, so to speak. I think the people responsible for Wordpress code still suck because they still, in 2024, want the software itself to be able to write to where the software itself lives and runs, which is just bananas. It violates the first two rules of anything and everythin…

Just chmod -w

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by 1-more »

oooyay wrote: post #232
dylan604 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm accepting scripts for this unscripted series now. We're still trying to get someone credible attached so we can get it green lit.

Silicon Valley: FOSS Foundation spinoff where Richard creates some FOSS software, figures out how to monetize it while also maintaining the illusion that it's FOSS, then goes to eight years of Burning Man and flips the script after accidentally locking himself inside a sweat lodge for the whole festival.

as a bit of a "yes, and" in order to hew to the Real Housewives format, we'll need the looming threat of federal prison for fraud. Season 3 of Salt Lake City is probably the best example of this, combining the eternal recurrence and inevitability of the full Star Wars series with man-vs-fate of Spike Lee's _The 25th Hour_.

When I refer to the eternal recurrence in Star Wars, I simply mean that they blow up the Death Star in Episodes IV, VI, VII, and arguably I and definitely put an end to Sith control of the galaxy every time wink.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by threeseed »

jart wrote: post #47
danielfoster wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't Wordpress open source? WPE is under no obligation to contribute source code or money. If WP is unhappy with the outcome, they should have released their product under a different license.

How would you feel about Google if they used things like Linux and never contributed anything to open source? As the most profitable entity in the WordPress space, WPE has a duty to give something back. What Matt is asking for isn't unreasonable.

Of course it is unreasonable.

He chose to use an open source license and benefit from all that open source entails.

You can’t turn around and ignore the terms of the license just because it doesn’t suit you.

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