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Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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In 2008, when the Eee PC was revolutionizing the computing world and driving every manufacturer to make cheaper and smaller laptops, Sony washed its hands of the whole thing. The "race to the bottom," the company said, would profoundly impact the industry, killing profit margins and flooding the market with cheap, terrible machines. Sony was wrong, its stance lasting about a year before joining the competition with i…

no manufacturer even offered a laptop with decent build quality, except for Apple of course. Maybe in some alternate universe where Lenovo didn't exist...

I am huge ThinkPad fan. That is one exception that I was thinking of mentioning, but really, ThinkPads (NOT Lenovo in general) do not appeal to the average consumer. They are built great, and I have owned a few, but to everyone but the techies, they look like boring/old machines. I actually had a few people tell me that my 2 year old ThinkPad looks like something from the 90s.

And the build quality and fit/finish of the new unibody Macbooks are still better than that of the ThinkPads.

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Well, not really. ICS will be supported for years to come by apps. I can easily see iOS5 being dropped in a year or so for some developers. And the Android tablets are still cheaper. :P

Anyone can still develop for iOS 3, which was released several years a go. Also, 10" tablets with comparable features as Apple's iPad are priced the same or higher than the iPad. 7" tablets like the Google/Asus tablet and the Kindle Fire are devices for media consumption, 10" tablets like the iPad are suitable for media creation.

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Would also be interested in knowing this. Currently have the 8GB ordered instead.

Seems to be on and off. I was able to order a 16GB not long after posting, but when I look on the site right now it's gone again.

Thanks dude, I cancelled my 8GB and ordered the 16GB.

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I don't see the 11" MacBook Air leaving the stage anytime soon. If anything, the average laptop is converging towards what you want. I am not sure about Linux drivers, but the main difference to a "netbook" seems to be the price point. For a few years' worth of computing, does it matter?

I think the price difference is not a small point. The Apple store has the 11" MacBook Air starting at $999. My netbook was around $280 and is a device that does exactly what I need.

The $719 difference is no small change for me either. But it's still easy to buy a well-supported 11" laptop. Truly replaced form factors have it even harder. Try to find a "dumbphone" that was designed with enthusiasm.

Re: Nexus 7 review: The best $200 tablet you can buy

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So many questions. Google says they are selling Nexus 7 at cost. So what is the revenue model? If the idea is to follow Amazon's Kindle Fire (where revenue from content sold in future, justifies the at-cost pricing of the device), is it not a huge risk? Google Play is not established as a revenue generator yet. What about the content itself? Does Google have agreement in place with content owners? Even if Google has…

Farhad Manjoo at Slate Technology also asks almost all of the above questions: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/06/... (don't be misled by the title)

To quote: "But there’s one big problem with Google’s small tablet: It lacks a business model. As Amazon did with its Fire, Google is selling the Nexus 7 at cost. Amazon could afford to do so because the Fire is a gateway to its online store. After you get the Fire, you’ll buy a lot of books and movies from Amazon, and you might even become a subscriber to Prime, Amazon’s highly profitable subscription service.

But Google, unlike Amazon, doesn’t sell physical stuff, so it can’t justify the low price of the Nexus 7 on the expectation of huge e-commerce sales. Sure, the search company does sell media—you can buy books, music, and subscribe to magazines from the Nexus, but the selection is thin compared with what’s available in Amazon or Apple’s media stores. If you get a Nexus 7, you’re better off relying on other sources for media. For books, install the Kindle app and buy from Amazon. For movies, use the Netflix app. For music, use Spotify.

Well, what about advertising? Google makes most of its money from ads, and boosting advertising revenue is the central goal behind Android. The more Android devices Google sells, the more people use its services, and thus, the more people see its ads. So if Google sells a lot of Nexus 7s, couldn’t it make a lot more money from ads?

Not really. Google makes only about $4 per year in ad revenue from every Android device, according to an analysis by Asymco’s Horace Dediu. So if Google sells 10 million Nexus 7s—far more than anyone expects—it would make $40 million a year from the device. For a company that made nearly $12 billion in profits last year, that’s nothing to crow about. (What’s more, two-thirds of Google’s mobile advertising revenue comes through Apple devices. If people choose the Nexus 7 over the iPad, Google might not be making any more money than it would have anyway.)

Google’s real goal with the Nexus 7 can’t be to make money. Instead, the tablet is a marketing device. Google wants to hop on the tablet train before it’s too late. It’s been two years since the iPad was released, and so far no one has managed to create a plausible alternative. The Nexus 7 is an effort to get people to believe that Android tablets aren’t terrible. It’s good enough to be usable for most people, and just cheap enough to get a lot of folks to give it a try. And if you get the Nexus 7 and find that it isn’t so bad, maybe one day you’ll be willing to give other, not-so-cheap Android tablets a try.

It’s a circuitous plan, and it could well fail. In the meantime, though, you might as well enjoy Google’s pretty good, cheap tablet."

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I think the price difference is not a small point. The Apple store has the 11" MacBook Air starting at $999. My netbook was around $280 and is a device that does exactly what I need.

The $719 difference is no small change for me either. But it's still easy to buy a well-supported 11" laptop. Truly replaced form factors have it even harder. Try to find a "dumbphone" that was designed with enthusiasm.

I would argue that Nokia 1208 is designed with enthusiasm. I'm afraid its kind are an endangered species too.

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Your old modem-based ISPs all used the same plug. Cell carriers each have slightly differing radio frequencies. They would have to sell "Works with AT&T", "Works with Sprint", "Works with T-Mobile" versions all separately, as they all use different radio frequencies. The alternative is to build a mega-radio (or perhaps cluster of radios) to support all the carriers, but that adds weight and significant cost, and won'…

> They would have to sell "Works with AT&T", "Works with Sprint", "Works with T-Mobile" versions all separately, as they all use different radio frequencies. No, you only need two versions: "Works with all GSM carriers" (with frequencies to support 3G/4G on AT&T, T-Mobile, and almost every other carrier in the world) and "Works with all CDMA carriers" (Sprint, Verizon, etc). And for a first pass, you can ignore the l…

Not really. AT&T uses different bands than T-Mobile, which both uses different bands than European carriers, which differ from Korean carriers.

It is only recently that you can find penta-band UMTS phones that gives you 3G on GSM providers in all the continents.

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Do you object to getting a Transformer (or similar) dockable tablet and then putting, for example, Ubuntu on it (either completely or a variation of "Ubuntu for Android" when that's an option)? Or is cost part of the problem here?

There is not really "a problem" here. It's just that there was a time where the consumer market offered a perfect sweet spot for my needs and it's not going to be there anymore. I haven't tried out the any dockable tablets but would you agree that it seems like a bit of a botch-up just to get what a netbook delivers at a much lower price tag?

As a happy Transformer owner, I'd disagree. Adding the touchscreen is both useful and surprisingly natural. Sometimes the easiest and most intuitive way to do something is to touch something. Other times it's using the keyboard and trackpad. Having both in one package is delightful - to the point where I'm not mad I paid more for my Transformer than what a netbook costs, I'm mad I can't pay more and get a touchscreen for my laptop (outside of some niche models that don't otherwise appeal to me) or, for that matter, my desktop.

Then there's the insane battery life you get when you join the tablet and the keyboard dock. Aside from a time when I forced the screen to stay on (and didn't disable that later), I can't remember the last time it ran out of battery.

Even undocking turns out to be more useful than I thought. For example, using the tablet while walking or handing it to my daughter for her to play with.

No, I'm not unhappy I paid more than a netbook would have cost I'm getting plenty more than a netbook, too.

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