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Re: California bans sell-by dates

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This sounds perfectly sensible and uncontroversial?

It seems to me like a quibe about verbage. I suppose "sell by" could be interpreted as a supplier telling a store what to do with their own goods. But on the other hand, the supplier has a brand on those goods and has a significant interest in protecting the brand.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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Here’s the actual USDA article describing the difference between “sell by, “use by”, and “best by” terms: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-... I don’t have time to find a source that supports this, but I understand that these dates also refer to the durability of the “food safe” container/packaging. Ever drink water from an unopened plastic bottle that has been stored for awhile? That taste…

I wish regulators stopped trying to be poetic and just use clear English. What's "best by?" You need to write "do not eat after." Nobody needs to be explained what that means.

"best buy" is pretty plain English. It means the manufacturer beleives the product will be at its best up to that date.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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(Most of) Europe doesn't wash their eggs, allowing them to be stored at room temperature, but as you said, the standard for physical contamination is lower. The US washes our eggs, requiring refrigeration but greatly extending shelf life and greatly reducing physical contamination. Advantages to both (Europe wins hands down if you need to whip egg whites to stiff peaks) but very interesting how the two regions addres…

How does washing eggs extend shelf life? Let's say I have unwashed eggs and washed eggs, and I put both in the refrigerator. Won't the unwashed ones last longer, because they haven't had the natural protective coating removed?

There is also condensation to consider and I think that putting the unwashed eggs in the fridge can be unsafe if the condensation can allow stuff from the poop to move around. But I'm no eggspert.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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When my wife and I moved in together, we had a spat about what "sell by" dates actually meant. She had been throwing away loads of perfectly good food because she misunderstood the meaning of the sell-by date. I don't remember who taught me what they actually mean, but I was able to point her to a USDA site that showed the actual meaning. I'm pretty sure that was the only time I have ever been right when she and I di…

My wife does the same thing, and I've been unable to convince her. Not talking perishable stuff, either - she'll throw out something like a bottle of hot sauce because it is a few months past the "best by" date. No matter how much I try to tell her that these things are shelf stable and will be good for even a year or more after the date, she doesn't believe me. I think that the show Kim's Convenience said it perfect…

Hot Sauce is kind of annoying because it lasts so long after the best by dates. Like it could just be kicking around in then fridge for a couple years and not grow anything on it, but it is probably time to toss it out eventually?

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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They can't be anywhere even close to synthetic textiles.

Presumably you're not chewing on or eating from synthetic textiles. Meanwhile an enormous amount of food is shipped in, and even cooked in , plastic directly. Of course you're right in the sense that when it comes to our general environment textiles produce far more environmental microplastics than most other sources. Particularly in our water systems.

…water systems that supply our drinking water.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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Geez, that is aggravating. Do they really think that a completely unsealed cardboard box with holes in it is keeping out all the germs? Sometimes I think we've really failed ourselves regarding basic biology and education requirements.

in Europe it's forbidden to sell washed eggs, so you're literally buying eggs covered in chicken shit, it's an interesting regulatory divergence.

If you’re buying eggs covered in excrement, that’s on you. That’s what the law is for: for the seller and producer not being able to hide the awful conditions in which the eggs were produced. If you want clean eggs, buy clean eggs, which will then necessarily have been produced in a clean environment, more healthy for the chickens, and also with less risk of contaminated eggs.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Most of) Europe doesn't wash their eggs, allowing them to be stored at room temperature, but as you said, the standard for physical contamination is lower. The US washes our eggs, requiring refrigeration but greatly extending shelf life and greatly reducing physical contamination. Advantages to both (Europe wins hands down if you need to whip egg whites to stiff peaks) but very interesting how the two regions addres…

How does washing eggs extend shelf life? Let's say I have unwashed eggs and washed eggs, and I put both in the refrigerator. Won't the unwashed ones last longer, because they haven't had the natural protective coating removed?

The washed ones last because you washed off all the hen house bacteria, and then kept it refrigerated so new bacteria wouldn’t grow.

Chickens, especially commercial poultry farms, are disgusting.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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When my wife and I moved in together, we had a spat about what "sell by" dates actually meant. She had been throwing away loads of perfectly good food because she misunderstood the meaning of the sell-by date. I don't remember who taught me what they actually mean, but I was able to point her to a USDA site that showed the actual meaning. I'm pretty sure that was the only time I have ever been right when she and I di…

My wife does the same thing, and I've been unable to convince her. Not talking perishable stuff, either - she'll throw out something like a bottle of hot sauce because it is a few months past the "best by" date. No matter how much I try to tell her that these things are shelf stable and will be good for even a year or more after the date, she doesn't believe me. I think that the show Kim's Convenience said it perfect…

Ha! I like to joke that after the 'best by' date, it's no longer the best, just better :)

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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If they make sense yes, but clearly people don't understand this. When safety is on the line, the goal can't only be "as few words as possible"

Here's something to blow your mind: Most Americans are not literate. Yes, I'm serious and I say that as a fellow American. We are not literate. So use as few words as possible and a date. Honestly we could probably do without the words, just the date.

Is minified code easier to read? No. It’s the same with regular language; shorter sentences are not always more comprehensible.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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That isn't most, and I mentioned synthetic chemicals & preservatives.

Pretty much all oils are processed foods. Vinegar is a preservative and is a processed food. Most salts are processed and are common preservatives. Flour is a processed food. The reasons why Twinkies are so shelf stable are largely the same reasons why flour or rice or olive oil is shelf stable. Better be careful of those chemicals like sodium chloride and dihydrogen monoxide.

> Salt? Flour? Oil? Oats? Rice? Garlic? Black pepper? Most ground spices? Nuts? Beans? Honey? Vinegar? Quinoa?

Sure, if you are assuming Americans are mostly eating these things daily.

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