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Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by 4ggr0 »

atonse wrote: post #89
4ggr0 wrote: post #84

RIP, as one says. That being said, it always irks me when people worship "philantropic" billionaires. I'm sure he's done good things. But there are no ethical billionaires in capitalism. TATA is a giant corp with a lot of influence, I can't believe that they're a 'honest company which doesn't bribe, pays their taxes and are otherwise clean'. Would probably be the first case of an ethical corporation/billionaire :) Ce…

Sure but you have to grade on a curve. When you actually see how some of their peers act, compared to them, the Tatas are gems.

Sure, yeah. My reactionary, immature answer to this is, "someone who has murdered a single person is not that bad when compared to a serial killer", but i certainly get what you mean :)

Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by orochimaaru »

4ggr0 wrote: post #84

RIP, as one says. That being said, it always irks me when people worship "philantropic" billionaires. I'm sure he's done good things. But there are no ethical billionaires in capitalism. TATA is a giant corp with a lot of influence, I can't believe that they're a 'honest company which doesn't bribe, pays their taxes and are otherwise clean'. Would probably be the first case of an ethical corporation/billionaire :) Ce…

How exactly do you plan to do business in India without the bribes?

In fact after a certain scale you need to bribe in the US too. It’s just that it’s legalized in the US as lobbying and PACs.

Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by triceratops »

jimbob45 wrote: post #35
aitchnyu wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On one hand, stray dogs are a joy for many Indians. For many months the highlight of the day was going to a cafe at 10 pm in middle of work and throwing bones to the assembled dogs. On the other hand, they enter homes and kill babies, attack children and adults and carry rabies epidemics. Right thing to do is to prevent more strays from happening.

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> animal shelters... is just hunting with additional steps

Explain

Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by tightbookkeeper »

lazide wrote: post #42
jimbob45 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The Indian subcontinent is so densely populated, very few areas can support hunting. It does happen in some rural areas. Sport hunting is not really a thing though. Most Indians (statistically) are vegetarian, and essentially obligate vegetarian due to the population density (also enforced by religion), though ‘vegetarian’ can include eggs, fish, and sometimes chicken depending on the person, time, etc. Indian Muslim…

Vegetarian is in India is often class signaling.

Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by tightbookkeeper »

throwaway10oct wrote: post #33

Throwaway account here, but I think we should be cautious about hero worship. While it's true that Tata has contributed positively in many areas, there are also significant controversies surrounding his legacy—like leasing coal mines for just 25 paise for 999 years before independence(1), among other issues(2) It's important to consider both the positives and negatives to form a well-rounded opinion. Let's aim to be…

Every prominent person will have controversy. Expressing values means choosing one thing over another.

Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by tightbookkeeper »

mlnj wrote: post #53
throwaway10oct wrote: post #33

Throwaway account here, but I think we should be cautious about hero worship. While it's true that Tata has contributed positively in many areas, there are also significant controversies surrounding his legacy—like leasing coal mines for just 25 paise for 999 years before independence(1), among other issues(2) It's important to consider both the positives and negatives to form a well-rounded opinion. Let's aim to be…

I too am a big fan of not supporting hero worship. But what we should recognize is the deeds that they perform and the values that they uphold rather than supporting them in everything they do. Having met the guy multiple times growing up he always stood out to me as a very humble man that loved the people and the institution he built. His love for dogs was something that helped me be closer to animals. With regards…

Exactly. Contribution ethic vs purity ethic.

Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by aziaziazi »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #73
lazide wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Indian subcontinent is so densely populated, very few areas can support hunting. It does happen in some rural areas. Sport hunting is not really a thing though. Most Indians (statistically) are vegetarian, and essentially obligate vegetarian due to the population density (also enforced by religion), though ‘vegetarian’ can include eggs, fish, and sometimes chicken depending on the person, time, etc. Indian Muslim…

> though ‘vegetarian’ can include eggs, fish, and sometimes chicken depending on the person, time, etc. What is the purpose of the word vegetarian if one uses it to mean consuming some animals but not others? Vegan = no animals used to make food Vegetarian = no animals consumed Ovo lacto vegetarian = vegetarian that eats eggs and dairy (I guess additional clarifiers in case someone thinks vegetarian does not include…

Veganism = no animals "used" to make food or whatever (soap, shoes, invivo testing...)

Many people here seems to make the confusion that veganism is about the food. It's not, it's about the animals.

> What is the purpose of the word vegetarian if one uses it to mean consuming some animals but not others?

Languages are not like mathematics, one word can convey many meaning and nothing is stone-defined (dictionaries are only an interpretation of a language). In the Indian context there's a BIG part of the population that have a diet that does not have a definition in the Official Oxford Dictionary.

Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by mcmcmc »

triceratops wrote: post #93
jimbob45 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> animal shelters... is just hunting with additional steps Explain

Since GP won’t, the explanation is a racist assumption that shelter animals would be slaughtered and eaten

Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by salesynerd »

stareatgoats wrote: post #90
StackRanker3000 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t it normal and human to be sad about someone’s passing, even if it’s expected?

It is. But it is also perhaps interesting to note that most people seem to rate deaths differently depending on the age of the person. A young person cut down in their prime is a special kind of tragedy, so is the death of toddlers and young children. The passing of an old person, who by all accounts have outlived most other people on earth as far as we can tell, is saddening, especially to the people in the near fam…

I guess we are in agreement here. As far as I understand, the word shocking is used, in this context, at the unexpected happening of the event; not that the event happened. If I remember the sequence of events correctly, he was admitted to the hospital for a routine checkup and on Monday, his team had released a statement on his behalf that he was recuperating.

Another reason that a lot of Indians found this news shocking is because of the value and emotions attached to the name, "Tatas". Post India's independence, they were instrumental in helping India industrialized; the other were the Birlas.

Re: Indian entrepreneur, industrialist, and philanthropist, Ratan Tata, dead at 86

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Post by wuschel »

There is more to the story than I can tell here, unfortunately, but at least I can write this:

During my work for Bentley Motors I was at one of the Geneve Motor Shows in the 2010s. During my stay at the fair, a new (1500 USD) Tata car was introduced. I visited the Tata stand with a friend, looking at their new car, which was quite the contrast in product philosophy, design and target group to the Bentley models. Thanking our host at the Tata stand for our personal tour, I gave him the invitation to return him the favour and show him the Bentley models and stand.

To my great surprise later that day Ratan Tata came to the Bentley stand with what appeared to be his family (some male and female family members) - and I was able to show him around. We could not talk much due to the bodyguards and press, but he seemed distinct in demeanor to his sons and entourage. Apart from the colourful and diverse customer group, I met Piech, other industrial magnates of our time, but Ratan managed to retain a humble and human aura. I sympathized with him.

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