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California bans sell-by dates

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Re: California bans sell-by dates

#41
> To adhere with the requisite language outlined, any food products with a date label — with the exception of infant formula, eggs, beer, and malt beverages — must state “Best if Used By” to indicate peak quality, and “Use By” to designate food safety.

"Use by" is dumb, it's too close to "Best if Used By." If there's a safety issue, the term should be "expires", "expires on", or something like that.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

#42

Why ban such dates? I would want this data if I am a consumer. Sure the food may not be expired yet, but it may go bad sooner. I don’t understand why California feels the need to continuously pass hundreds of bills and impose so much control.

> Why ban such dates?

They're not being banned. The wording must change to "best if used by" if it's not about food safety.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

#43

This all makes massive sense to me. The people in my life treat any date on food as an expiry date and throw out massive amounts of perfectly edible food. Also, people do not seem to have any concept about the rate at which different food products spoil. Some things can be used way past the dates I see. Others really are going off by then.

Meanwhile we have gotten rid of expiry dates here in the UK. And I have bought fruits and vegetables that all look fine on the outside but inside are rotten. Not only frustrating this then wastes my time and my money. Items do need expiry dates, sugar does not, fresh produce and vegetables do. However, educating that your food isn't instantly bad when it's gone pass would encourage people to waste less food.

I'm glad someone else has noticed this. The quality and availability of fruit and veg at mainstream supermarkets has fallen off a cliff since COVID. It all feels far "older" and less fresh than it did, even when it's new out on the shelf. Traditional greengrocers are still fine, but tend to stock more local produce, so I'm wondering if it's Brexit or shipping causing the issue rather than expiry dates.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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post #40

If I see a sell-by date, I only use it to compare between individual items. If there's a shelf with bread and two items have different sell-by dates, I choose the one with the later sell-by date.

Yeah, I assume if it were to be sold by that date, then you still have time after that date that the product remains fresh. Is this not common sense to people?

Yes, but it's unknown how long the product will remain fresh past the sell by date.

Personally, I think everything should be labeled with both a sell by date, a best by date, and an expiration date, all right next to each other.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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post #41

> To adhere with the requisite language outlined, any food products with a date label — with the exception of infant formula, eggs, beer, and malt beverages — must state “Best if Used By” to indicate peak quality, and “Use By” to designate food safety. "Use by" is dumb, it's too close to "Best if Used By." If there's a safety issue, the term should be "expires", "expires on", or something like that.

I remember seeing a sell by date on salt. It was at that moment that I started questioning the process.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

#46

If I see a sell-by date, I only use it to compare between individual items. If there's a shelf with bread and two items have different sell-by dates, I choose the one with the later sell-by date.

I pick the older one to make sure the supply chain still works well.

In the case of buttermilk, it only starts to get a good flavor some time after the date on the carton. So I will often pick the oldest one (which is easy, be cause they put the older cartons toward the front).

Re: California bans sell-by dates

#47
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked in a grocery coop and it depended on the vendor. For some, they controlled how much stock we carried and would take back anything that didn’t sell. For things that we ordered directly and chose how much to carry, we were responsible for expired food costs.

This is something I have idly wondered. Where does the expired food go? Both “literally rotting” and “canned good safe for a decade, but we toss it after 12 months”. Landfill? Animal feed? Some amount of charity for the salvageable items? A typical grocery store could produce an incredible amount of daily waste.

A lot of grocery stores donate it to soup kitchens thanks to the Bill Emerson Good Samaritan Food Donation Act of 1996. My local SoCal Trader Joes donated over $700k worth of food last year.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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post #41

> To adhere with the requisite language outlined, any food products with a date label — with the exception of infant formula, eggs, beer, and malt beverages — must state “Best if Used By” to indicate peak quality, and “Use By” to designate food safety. "Use by" is dumb, it's too close to "Best if Used By." If there's a safety issue, the term should be "expires", "expires on", or something like that.

I think people will adjust to the new language but not update their schemas, which means their behavior will not change.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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You know who hates food waste more than Gavin Newsom? Every greedy supermarket market executive that throws away 30% of their inventory. Especially when their profit margins are often in the low single digits. The article says there is no mandates on any types of dates. So I imagine these dates serve some purpose, otherwise they wouldn't be there. Laws like this often sound like they're helping but since no one is fo…

Not sure whether it was the removal of best before dates or Brexit, but fresh food and veg in Britain is often already rotting in supermarkets. So now instead of the store throwing out loads of produce past its best, I have to do it when I get home and realise that yet again one in each pack of 3 onions is rotted.

How were they labeling the produce before? Individually? Or by the box?

I haven't seen dated produce, but maybe it's hidden.

Re: California bans sell-by dates

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post #32

This all makes massive sense to me. The people in my life treat any date on food as an expiry date and throw out massive amounts of perfectly edible food. Also, people do not seem to have any concept about the rate at which different food products spoil. Some things can be used way past the dates I see. Others really are going off by then.

My understanding from the article is that expiry ("use by") dates will still be needed, and sell-by dates are being removed because mean something different from expiry, but consumers (myself included until now) generally misunderstand this.

> and sell-by dates are being removed

Not removed. Reworded.

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