It's weird how racism against Indians online is so normalised. I see the same on reddit too.
Weird thing to comment on an article about Indian racism, but okay.
Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Indians migrating to the US via h1b visas are not coming from the slums or ghettoes. Higher education to foreigners in the US is essentially an immigration scheme - they pay $60-$100k (+living expenses) for a useless graduate degree which only the rich can afford, then get funneled into consulting firms like Cognizant/Infosys on OPT/EAD visas before picking up their h1b for ~ 6 years. This pretty much gets you in…
>recruiting/HR department no longer considered Asians of any ethnicity a minority and lumped them in with white males. Why does HR even need to keep track of ethnicities? Is this a US thing? Here in my EU country you're just employee/applicant #3215, that's it, nobody asks or enters your ethnicity anywhere to even be able to keep tabs on how many are of what ethnicity, since everyone is considered equal by default an…
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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
#373The only point of contention I have with this whole debate is the general premise that it's wrong to make citizens of a country redundant (lay them off) in order to replace with cheaper labor brought in from other countries. From an accounting standpoint perhaps it makes sense, but from the view of the workers, and the community, it just seems wrong.
Although I'm not deeply familiar with the specifics of this particular case, it raises broader questions about the industry that specializes in outsourcing, particularly to countries like India. If outsourcing is a core part of a company's business model, isn’t it inevitable that more jobs will continue to be funneled to countries like India, and, consequently, to Indian workers? While I understand this particular ca…
Eh, cheap Indian outsourcing isn't viewed as a near-peer threat.
Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
#374My guess would be that a lot of non-Indians at these companies are rejected on the basis of "vibes"; which is slightly different from racism as I explain below, although it probably ends up having the same net effect as overt racism. As an Indian, I've observed that collectivism and subservience towards authority figures are taught as virtues; this obviously makes it quite easy for employers to extract unreasonable d…
There's probably a really interesting, bit potentially controversial topic to be discussed here.
As a Non-Indian, I'm quite aware/familiar with this kind of culture you speak of within Indian culture in the workplace and, to be blunt, if I were applying for a role as say a high level product manager (my current gig) and there was a native-born/raised Indian person as the hiring manager, I would at the very least be very cautious about this risk.
But in this situation, given the power dynamic is in favour of the other party, does this make me "biased"?... Or just "careful"?
Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hm, the available data does not support your point/sentiment that energy prices are increasing for industrial customers in Germany. (see https://www.bdew.de/service/daten-und-grafiken/bdew-strompre... or https://www.statista.com/statistics/1050448/industrial-elect... ) From https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/industry-electricity-pr... > Economist and economy ministry advisor Jens Südekum called the analysis’s resul…
Well, electricity consumption has fallen quite a bit, because energy intensive industries (like chemical industry) already left the country. Energy prices are still high (not as high as 2022) and they would probably be much higher if those industries were still there. Unfortunately there is little reason to invest in Germany at the moment. It will get worse(they are already announcing an increase in health insurance…
Do you have any numbers regarding companies that have left Germany because of energy costs?
Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
#376How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…
> to go to Indian restaurants during lunch break
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I am curious, was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings at Intel? I have often heard these reports, but in a social context. I have never personally observed this in professional settings; but am curious to hear more so I can watch out for it if/when I do encounter it. It's odd because I wo…
> was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings This happened frequently at a WITCH I worked at out of college. The meeting would be in English then have segments change in the middle as certain speakers switched languages. Luckily, I often had a coworker stand up for me to mention to use English although I did miss many conversations.
> WITCH stands for the Indian tech giants – W- Wipro I- Infosys T- TCS C- Cognizant H- HCL A- Accenture India
In case anyone else was wondering about that acronym.
Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Indians migrating to the US via h1b visas are not coming from the slums or ghettoes. Higher education to foreigners in the US is essentially an immigration scheme - they pay $60-$100k (+living expenses) for a useless graduate degree which only the rich can afford, then get funneled into consulting firms like Cognizant/Infosys on OPT/EAD visas before picking up their h1b for ~ 6 years. This pretty much gets you in…
>recruiting/HR department no longer considered Asians of any ethnicity a minority and lumped them in with white males. Why does HR even need to keep track of ethnicities? Is this a US thing? Here in my EU country you're just employee/applicant #3215, that's it, nobody asks or enters your ethnicity anywhere to even be able to keep tabs on how many are of what ethnicity, since everyone is considered equal by default an…
> (in theory at least, in practice there are still biases, but tracking ethnicities won't fix that, since that's human nature)
That’s what we’re trying to fix (or at least mitigate) in the US. You say it is just human nature, but we’re a pretty diverse country, so we have a strong incentive to proactively try and see if we can make it work.
Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
No? I am an Indian living in India, and if a Pakistani person were to live next door I wouldn't be able to make it out unless he told me himself.
Im neither but I can tell a Pakistani accent from an Indian one. Is that not the case there? And you would certainly know if you were working with someone, at least here. I suppose I have spent a lot of time with Indian Americans but not as much with Indians in India (just zoom calls) so that’s interesting.
Pakistani accents often perfectly coincide with Punjabi and UP (Indian states) accents.
Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees
#380Earlier quoted context omitted.
Although I'm not deeply familiar with the specifics of this particular case, it raises broader questions about the industry that specializes in outsourcing, particularly to countries like India. If outsourcing is a core part of a company's business model, isn’t it inevitable that more jobs will continue to be funneled to countries like India, and, consequently, to Indian workers? While I understand this particular ca…
Eh, cheap Indian outsourcing isn't viewed as a near-peer threat.
I understand but that is not what I meant. What I meant was it is an inevitable drift (for a certain type of work to get outsourced) that cannot be stemmed unless the government does something. I still have no clue if doing something about this type of outsourcing is even a good idea. But I was just wondering if this discrimination is inevitable if outsourcing continues...