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Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

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Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

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German is not that easy, either, though. Das/Der/Die is a constant source of frustration. Its never easy to remember.

Same in French. Le and la. (Masculine or feminine).

In Dutch: De and het, where de is for masculine and feminine, and het for ... I don't even know. And I'm a native Dutch speaker.

Edit: German also has cases: Nominative, accusative, dative and genitive, like Greek.

Latin had a 5th one.

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#92

Austria and German-speaking Switzerland, lists “Eva’s Blumenladen” (Eva’s Flower Shop) and “Peter’s Taverne” (Peter’s Tavern) as usable alternatives, though “Eva’s Brille” (“Eva’s glasses”) remains incorrect. Why is 'Eva's Brille incorrect', but 'Eva's Blumenladen' ok?

Peter’s Taverne is the name of the tavern, Eva's Brille is just eva's glasses not a the name of her store.

So Evas Blumenladen is called Eva's Blumenladen is correct.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Dutch may have some "rights" to adapt English. They're #1 in non-native English proficiency for 5 years in a row and surpassed Canada (considered native speakers) on overall English proficiency some years ago. One point of debate is that English in the Netherlands has become mostly American English over the last decades due to media influence. While originally "school English" in the Netherlands was British Engli…

I actually go full-descriptivist on this and it erases all the posturing. If you're a speaker of English, native or otherwise, and you say or write something purposefully and don't consider it a mistake then it's correct. Wether other people will join you in your new usage is yet undetermined but also doesn't really matter. AAVE is the perfect example of this happening large scale in the real world.

There are multiple ways to define “correct”. I tend to favor: having the desired effect. This results in a “correct” that is highly flexible, but doesn’t label anything that one happens to choose as “correct”.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#94

Austria and German-speaking Switzerland, lists “Eva’s Blumenladen” (Eva’s Flower Shop) and “Peter’s Taverne” (Peter’s Tavern) as usable alternatives, though “Eva’s Brille” (“Eva’s glasses”) remains incorrect. Why is 'Eva's Brille incorrect', but 'Eva's Blumenladen' ok?

Because, according to the new rule, it's only permitted in proper names

"Eva's Blumenladen" is the proper name of the shop, what is put on the sign above the door.

"Evas Brille" is just Eva's glasses.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

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Austria and German-speaking Switzerland, lists “Eva’s Blumenladen” (Eva’s Flower Shop) and “Peter’s Taverne” (Peter’s Tavern) as usable alternatives, though “Eva’s Brille” (“Eva’s glasses”) remains incorrect. Why is 'Eva's Brille incorrect', but 'Eva's Blumenladen' ok?

Because, according to the new rule, it's only permitted in proper names "Eva's Blumenladen" is the proper name of the shop, what is put on the sign above the door. "Evas Brille" is just Eva's glasses.

Oh shoot, I read it as Eva's Glasses, the name of her eyewear shop.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

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If the cost of this is to look utterly stupid, who in Germany would sincerely coddle a small number of English-first obsessives? Is the story here that Germans feel better about taking a stand when they’re told they have a choice?

It's simply giving up resistance against a widespread usage. Adds more confusing rules though as "Eva's Brille" still is considered wrong (not a name itself).

Unless you're selling glasses under that name, then it's fine. Lol.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#99
Here, too?

As the articles notes, this kind of apostrophe has been "correct" for many, many years, at least for names, and no, not just for avoiding confusion with names ending in 's'. The "Duden" (one of the officially recognized authorities for German spelling) has had the example "Willi's Würstchenbude" for many years, despite "Willis" not being a common name in Germany.

Now that one tries to simplify things, the Cliff Clavins of Germany freak out because they lose one example where they could feel smarter than others. There really is nothing to see here.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

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Reading this, I come away with the impression that European languages today are evolving due to the influence of "Vulgar English" (the lowest common denominator of English spoken by the most people worldwide), analogously to how Romance languages like Spanish and French evolved in the past due to the influence of "Vulgar Latin."[a]

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[a] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Romance-languages

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