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Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

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Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#51

In America an idiot’s apostrophe is when someone uses it to pluralize words and it too seems to be growing in use.

In the article they call that the “greengrocer’s apostrophe” as in “twelve potato’s”.

I don't know that I have ever seen that in the wild, but probably only because I refuse to accept that it exists.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#52
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> The Deppenapostroph is not to be confused with the English greengrocer’s apostrophe, when an apostrophe before an ‘s’ is mistakenly used to form the plural of a noun (“a kilo of potato’s”). Grocer's apostrophes annoy me, along with words like "advices" (advice is an abstract noun and can't be plural, like "happiness") and "learnings" (use "lessons" instead).

I would normally expect "the grocer's apostrophe" to refer to a single grocer and "the grocers' apostrophe" to refer to a plural group of grocers, which I assume is what you intended.

The term "(green)grocer's apostrophe" refers to the misuse of the apostrophe in plurals, which seemingly occurs disproportionately on signs in those shops. It's ironic that it contains a tricky-to-place apostrophe. Should the meaning be "the apostrophe of the greengrocer" or should it be "the apostrophe that greengrocers misuse"? Either works fine. For the same reason, I always have to check whether it's "mother's day" or "mothers' day" because... it's both!

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#53

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Er, yes because they're short for he is and she is. You mean "his" and "hers".

But you don't write them like that, you write "his/hers"

Different words. "His dog" means the dog belonging to him. "He's a dog" means "he is a dog".

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#55

> The Deppenapostroph is not to be confused with the English greengrocer’s apostrophe, when an apostrophe before an ‘s’ is mistakenly used to form the plural of a noun (“a kilo of potato’s”). Grocer's apostrophes annoy me, along with words like "advices" (advice is an abstract noun and can't be plural, like "happiness") and "learnings" (use "lessons" instead).

There is no more misguided use of an apostrophe than to use it to "create a pronoun's possessive" as using "it's" in place of "its" Do you also write "he's" and "she's" (as possessive pronouns)? No? Then it's "its".

So is this the proper form?

-> it's putting the lotion on its skin

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#56

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In the article they call that the “greengrocer’s apostrophe” as in “twelve potato’s”.

I don't know that I have ever seen that in the wild, but probably only because I refuse to accept that it exists.

I believe the term originated here in the UK, where it's actually pretty common. Although, ironically, greengrocers aren't so much anymore.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#57

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In the article they call that the “greengrocer’s apostrophe” as in “twelve potato’s”.

I don't know that I have ever seen that in the wild, but probably only because I refuse to accept that it exists.

If you could of seen some of the spelling mistakes I of, you would of run away screaming, and there's nothing else you should of done.

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

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The Dutch may have some "rights" to adapt English. They're #1 in non-native English proficiency for 5 years in a row and surpassed Canada (considered native speakers) on overall English proficiency some years ago. One point of debate is that English in the Netherlands has become mostly American English over the last decades due to media influence. While originally "school English" in the Netherlands was British Engli…

I actually go full-descriptivist on this and it erases all the posturing. If you're a speaker of English, native or otherwise, and you say or write something purposefully and don't consider it a mistake then it's correct. Wether other people will join you in your new usage is yet undetermined but also doesn't really matter. AAVE is the perfect example of this happening large scale in the real world.

"Wether"—I see what you did there...

Re: Germans decry influence of English as 'idiot's apostrophe' gets approval

#60

German is not that easy, either, though. Das/Der/Die is a constant source of frustration. Its never easy to remember.

When in doubt use das like half the population of Berlin.

Can we get the other half to convert? Gendered articles are so annoying to remember, especially if you have to travel between German-speaking places that don't agree on all the noun genders. English speakers cannot be expected to understand this!
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