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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by j45 »

gruez wrote: post #141
j45 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DEI is more about getting equally qualified candidates to the table that are ignored or missed. Yes that makes it more competitive. Or less-competitive at an advantage to some and both others if it stayed the same way.

That's the motte of the DEI motte-and-bailey. The bailey contains policies like race based quotas or preferential treatment.

Race based quotas seem like very US things.

Theres lots of ways to improve hiring.

If holding space for equally qualified candidates is preferential treatment, is it having to exist because of the gatekeeping that existed before it?

Still, it remains important for any practice to do a good job of helping everyone understand how it's working better.

Too often companies jump to signal trends and keep doing whatever they were all along. Like organizations who's leadership looks nothing like the pool of qualified candidates in the respective country.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by zknow »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #153
nelblu wrote: post #129

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As an Indian immigrant I had noticed this very early on too. It made me very uncomfortable when some of us would crack jokes in non-English language while there were others around who didn't understand the language. After first few years I stopped working for companies that had mostly Indians in IT. I must say I have been lucky since then to always find a good mix of diverse backgrounds in my team that it has not bee…

As a fellow Indian immigrant, I actually share your discomfort, and always try to be inclusive and diverse in my social groups. Most of my Indian coworkers and friends behave this way — we came to the US to be a part of a mixed culture, so our social groups should be diverse. What makes me uncomfortable is that this inclusivity is increasingly being taken for granted to the point where not having it starts conversati…

In public, yeah people probably wouldn't care about french speakers, but in a shared environment I definitely would prefer they speak English. My brother use to have to tell his Dutch-Canadian in-laws to speak English when we were at his house. I'd feel the same way at work.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by ethbr1 »

kshGa wrote: post #103
skywhopper wrote: post #89

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This is a delusional and hateful lie.

You could perhaps assume idealism in 2020. Four years later it is clear that DEI is used as a wedge to displace those you do not like and replace them with unskilled believers.

From your comment, I'm guessing you're talking about the first consequence of DEI policies?

- Using candidates' loud belief in DEI as a litmus test, even if the candidate themselves has no diverse characteristics

- Hiring diverse candidates

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by the_gorilla »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #168
the_gorilla wrote: post #150

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I am just using a signature American phrase[1]. If anything, this is a mark of how assimilated I am! I mean no contempt; I am happy to live in a flyover state. Also, the state did not "allow me" to live here, the Federal Government did; as anyone with an elementary knowledge of American government principles should be able to discern. Your response though, seems to show some anti-immigrant anger. I am sorry you feel…

What do you think the word "Flyover" means? You live in it now, they let you in so you're not flying over it. It's obviously derogatory, and even your link says it's derogatory. That'd be like me going to India, and then complaining "As an American living next to untouchables..."

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by quadrifoliate »

ethbr1 wrote: post #160
quadrifoliate wrote: post #130

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> I'm not sure what your point is. That's a good question. I suppose my point is that this is not something you have "fight back" against. Lots of people get excluded from social groups in professional settings due to some silly link that their coworkers have with each other. Learning to overcome your lack of cultural commonality with coworkers and and breaking into social groups is something that all of us need to d…

> I promise you it will be fine. Just pass on the gulab jamun if you value your liver.

Pass on like 90% of the stuff that has fat and sugar. It is not representative of a household Indian meal, but rather of a rare feast.

If you go more regularly, a somewhat healthy meal at an Indian restaurant is:

- The tandoor chicken (not the one in gravy)

- The veggie salads and/or yogurt raita

- Whole wheat rotis if you can find them

- Any of the vegetables that don't have a ton of cream (cauliflower is one that's reliably dry)

I can't pretend that I don't indulge with anything beyond that; but I tend to not be a regular at the Indian restaurants here.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by the_gorilla »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #156
the_gorilla wrote: post #150

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What do you mean "allows them"? Whatever happened to the ideals of freedom and liberty and whatnot in the US?

American States have their own culture and identity. The ideals of America was never being an economic zone to house the entire third world, who think the only utility of a state should be to fly over it.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by gosub100 »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #73
ewuhic wrote: post #54

How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

> Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restaurants during lunch break, so now most of the colleagues follow suit, how to stop it all? Are you seriously asking how to "fight back" on Indians going to restaurants and joking with each other? As an Indian in a flyover state who has been routinely excluded from golfing events, and had my d…

you chose to move to another country. thats the difference

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by 39896880 »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #73
ewuhic wrote: post #54

How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

> Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restaurants during lunch break, so now most of the colleagues follow suit, how to stop it all? Are you seriously asking how to "fight back" on Indians going to restaurants and joking with each other? As an Indian in a flyover state who has been routinely excluded from golfing events, and had my d…

You seem to be fixating on the term "fight back," when the commenter you're replying to is asking for ways to not feel excluded at his/her job, where s/he spends a majority of his/her waking hours.

As someone who has experienced this, I encourage you to draw on that experience and have empathy, even if that experience is expressed in ways that don't immediately resonate with you. You have more in common with the commenter you're replying to than you appreciate.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

mattmaroon wrote: post #114
pm90 wrote: post #101

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How is this discrimination manifested? How do these managers know your country of origin?

An Indian person can spot a Pakistani (and vice versa) easily. There’s a good bit of historical enmity between the two nations.

Does this apply to castes as well? I mean in western Europe you can often pick out the classism based on how people dress, have their hair and what their accent is (I'm very obvious because of my "provincial" accent and terrible sense of style, lol).

Classism in the Netherlands isn't too bad though, unless you're from the old aristocracies (they live in certain areas, go to private schools, often have archaic letter combos like Y, AE, CK, or apostrophes in their multi-word surnames, etc [1]), they definitely live on their own island. Often end up in politics, too, because so it goes.

[1] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_Nederlandse_adellijk...

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