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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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A decade ago, you could self-host though.

Nobody (important) wanted that, though. It was done only because the cloud wasn't available, the moment it became available every big company migrated.

I’ve never seen or worked with a company using the cloud version of any of their products. I worked at a place with one of the largest bitbucket installs in the world, so they weren’t little shops.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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As a casual observer, their culture seems to include considerable classism; to the degree that 'where are you from?' appears to be an extremely common and loaded question [saved for the locals] . I only recognize it because it exists in mine, not a judgement.

That exists in the EU as well, although certainly not to the same extent. If you've never felt it, that just means you're from the countries that look down on other european countries :)

Classism exists basically everywhere. The most obvious example is the country bumpkin, he's gonna have a hard time impressing a metropolitan.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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That exists in the EU as well, although certainly not to the same extent. If you've never felt it, that just means you're from the countries that look down on other european countries :)

Classism exists basically everywhere. The most obvious example is the country bumpkin, he's gonna have a hard time impressing a metropolitan.

I’m not talking about classism (or racism), but about xenophobia.

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I am seeing the flight to low cost countries now termed as "Best" cost countries is afoot in Europe. Germany has shot itself in the foot by destroying its energy sector. Now that the energy prices have shot through the roof most of the industries are going to get outsourced. The thirst for cheap labour and where the laws especially labour laws are lax is a wet dream for management.

Hm, the available data does not support your point/sentiment that energy prices are increasing for industrial customers in Germany. (see https://www.bdew.de/service/daten-und-grafiken/bdew-strompre... or https://www.statista.com/statistics/1050448/industrial-elect... ) From https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/industry-electricity-pr... > Economist and economy ministry advisor Jens Südekum called the analysis’s resul…

FWIW there was a huge surge in energy costs following the war in Ukraine (due to the reduction in supply of Russian gas) which was dampened by the government with a subsidized price cap at 0.40€/kWh - for consumers anyway, as far as I'm aware there were different subsidies for industry.

But consumer prices have largely stabilized at a range of 0.25€ - 0.35€ although you'll also find some prices listed as low as 0.20€ or less if you are willing to price hop a lot.

Apparently there will also be price cuts in the North and East of Germany as well as Bavaria in the near future but I don't know the specifics of that.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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This is obvious at a number of these big box consulting firms for many years (Tata, Cognizant, HCL, Capgemini). Its so easy to verify too - go on linkedin and comb through dozens of search results of exclusively Indians (I'm not talking about American-Indians who go to undergrad in the US like every other person). These firms also take a lions share of the h1b visas which is another conversation - why does India get to have 75% of all h1b visas? Seems not very diverse.

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How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

It is hard only about the first 10 years. Then you'll learn to stop worrying and love that. And the whole country will get closer to that with the first Indian President. And there will also be the first Chinese, and the first Hispanic Presidents. World is changing. And the "fighting back" is like pissing against the wind.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a casual observer, their culture seems to include considerable classism; to the degree that 'where are you from?' appears to be an extremely common and loaded question [saved for the locals] . I only recognize it because it exists in mine, not a judgement.

That exists in the EU as well, although certainly not to the same extent. If you've never felt it, that just means you're from the countries that look down on other european countries :)

Interesting projection. Do I understand you correctly, you know that other countries look down on you because you think they do?

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

Best course of action is symmetrical response.

I’m gonna dip into politics a bit for my assertion that “fight racism with racism” isn’t a great move, either for the societal long term or the personal/legal short term.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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My guess would be that a lot of non-Indians at these companies are rejected on the basis of "vibes"; which is slightly different from racism as I explain below, although it probably ends up having the same net effect as overt racism. As an Indian, I've observed that collectivism and subservience towards authority figures are taught as virtues; this obviously makes it quite easy for employers to extract unreasonable d…

>collectivism and subservience towards authority figures are taught as virtues Remind me to never fly on a plane piloted by an Indian flight crew. (Protip: If you can't stand up to your captain, your plane is going down.)

See cultural `power-distance`.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_culture_on_aviation_...

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