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The Naming of America (2023)

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Re: The Naming of America (2023)

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The Senate report that's referenced [1] is clear on the matter: they didn't give her anything. Immediately after the quoted part, this follows: "The petitioner desires the donation to her of a small tract of land by Congress. With every feeling of respect and kindness for the memorialist, a majority of the committee deem it impossible for this Government to make the grant. They think such a grant without a precedent,…

"This generous, patriotic, and enlightened people will take into their own hands the case of America Vespucci. They will procure for her that home which she desires among us. They will do ail that Congress is forbidden to do, and infinitely more than she asks or desires, and demonstrate to the world that the name of America, our country’s name, is dear to us all, and shall be honored, respected, and cherished in the…

Found a rather odd site that seems to have a collection of references about her [1]. One account from The People's Almanac, Vol. 2. says:

> Another of her admirers was Sen. Thomas Hart Benton, who presented America's petition to the Senate on Jan. 29, 1839. "She is without a country, without fortune, and without protection," the Missourian pleaded. "She asks that we grant her a corner of the land which bears the name of her glorious forebear, and for the right of citizenship among those who call themselves Americans".

> Benton did his best, but two committees ruled against the exile. Sen. Robert J. Walker of Mississippi explained that her requests were without precedent. He advised that the lady should take her case to the American public. “This generous, patriotic and enlightened people will do all that Congress is forbidden to do,” he promised.

> His speech touched off a rousing demonstration of faith and affection for the outcast. Senators, representatives and Supreme Court justices contributed varying sums of money to launch a national campaign to help her purchase the “corner” of land she desired. The drive under way, she embarked on a tour that took her to Philadelphia, New York, St. Louis, New Orleans, Cincinnati and Louisville. She was idolized everywhere. “Her path”, one report says, “was strewn with roses, open hands, and confiding hearts.” However, in the spring of 1840 she abruptly terminated her travels. She sailed for Europe, leaving behind the shocking announcement that she did not want the money raised for her because it was not “a national gift.”

So it seems that a group of political elites did privately raise money for her to purchase land, but she abruptly turned it down and returned to Europe for a year instead. Kind of an incredible story, really.

[1] http://fourth-millennium.net/cordwainer-vr/lady-who-sailed-t...

Re: The Naming of America (2023)

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It's not helped when England, Britain and United Kingdom have been viewed as interchangeable terms by UK politicians, famous writers and the general public. Boris Johnson: "If I am ever asked on the streets of London, or in any other venue, public or private, to produce my ID card as evidence that I am who I say I am, when I have done nothing wrong and am simply ambling along and breathing God’s fresh air like any ot…

[Great] Britain is an island England is a country (part of Britain, together with Wales & Scotland) The United Kingdom [of Great Britain and Northern Ireland], is an alliance of countries. I'd hope that most citizens of the UK wouldn't regard these as interchangeable, and just because an Englishman waxes poetic about England doesn't mean he's unaware that it's part of the UK, etc.

> The United Kingdom [of Great Britain and Northern Ireland], is an alliance of countries.

No, it is not. The UK is ONE sovereign state/country, the rest are states/provinces/whatever, even tho some people living in this country might disagree and wish to separate themselves to become a full sovereign state.

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[Great] Britain is an island England is a country (part of Britain, together with Wales & Scotland) The United Kingdom [of Great Britain and Northern Ireland], is an alliance of countries. I'd hope that most citizens of the UK wouldn't regard these as interchangeable, and just because an Englishman waxes poetic about England doesn't mean he's unaware that it's part of the UK, etc.

> The United Kingdom [of Great Britain and Northern Ireland], is an alliance of countries. No, it is not. The UK is ONE sovereign state/country, the rest are states/provinces/whatever, even tho some people living in this country might disagree and wish to separate themselves to become a full sovereign state.

You're right, of course about the UK. It seems that maybe the most accurate (and/or historically appropriate) label for England, Wales, Scotland, and I suppose Northern Ireland, are "non-sovereign countries", or more sloppily I guess the UK and England can both be called countries ("a country within a country") with the distinction implied.

Re: The Naming of America (2023)

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>Calling themselves THE Americans and the rest latinos "Latinos" are what Spanish and (to a much lesser extent) Portuguese-speaking people living in the USA call themselves (and their relatives still living in other Latin-American countries). They seem to prefer it to "Hispanics". And the term only applies to people speaking Latin-derived languages (i.e., Spanish and Portuguese). So the people living in Belize, for i…

>People in the USA are called "Americans" because it's (part of) the name of their country, and there's no other convenient and pronounceable demonym to describe them There is another demonym, although much less used: USian. It's quite convenient and pronounceable. Some HNers use it: > https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Also see the Wikipedia definition of the word you used - demonym: htt…

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Re: The Naming of America (2023)

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>People in the USA are called "Americans" because it's (part of) the name of their country, and there's no other convenient and pronounceable demonym to describe them There is another demonym, although much less used: USian. It's quite convenient and pronounceable. Some HNers use it: > https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Also see the Wikipedia definition of the word you used - demonym: htt…

I'm going with this one for now on. Thanks! Thanks also to all USians that commented. As a fellow American, I think we should be more United! :)

The fact that my sibling comment (by me), about HNerds using racist and derogatory terms like Asian sweatshop, got flagged within seconds after I wote it, shows clearly that it is true, and that racist discrimination exists on HN, despite the vaunted claims by the mods of keeping it as a clean and nice community.

Hah!

Re: The Naming of America (2023)

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>People in the USA are called "Americans" because it's (part of) the name of their country, and there's no other convenient and pronounceable demonym to describe them There is another demonym, although much less used: USian. It's quite convenient and pronounceable. Some HNers use it: > https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Also see the Wikipedia definition of the word you used - demonym: htt…

I'm going with this one for now on. Thanks! Thanks also to all USians that commented. As a fellow American, I think we should be more United! :)

All you guys put together, i.e. all countries in both the American continents (North and South), need an American national anthem (not a USian one), to put you on the right track to continental and then world solidarity.

Re: The Naming of America (2023)

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I'm going with this one for now on. Thanks! Thanks also to all USians that commented. As a fellow American, I think we should be more United! :)

All you guys put together, i.e. all countries in both the American continents (North and South), need an American national anthem (not a USian one), to put you on the right track to continental and then world solidarity.

Unfortunately, what's needed is that the USians stop putting themselves as the main character and everyone else supporting. What's more interesting about this American identity is that the US and all other American countries have an almost identical history, the US is only the most prosperous ex-colony. But almost all countries in America were built in a similar manner. It is a continental identity as much as being European, Asian or African.
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