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Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by nextos »

I find the prize a bit odd this time since it focused on Hopfield networks and Boltzmann machines. Picking those two architectures in particular seems a bit arbitrary. Besides, Parisi got the prize last year (edit: actually 2021, time flies) for spin glasses. Hopfield networks are quite related. They could have included Hopfield & Hinton too, and it would have looked more coherent.

It is also concerning that lately the Nobel Committee seems to be ignoring fundamental broad theoretical contributions. In this case, backpropagation, where Seppo Linnainmaa could have been one of the awardees. It is a bit sad he and others who have already passed away get little credit for something so fundamental.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by Der_Einzige »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #82
Urahandystar wrote: post #25

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This is such a tired reply. The peace prize is not part of the same group as the other awards, and a significant difference in the peace award is that intent is awarded not results. The dude who invented the MAD doctrine did not get the award despite nuke deterrance doctrice being related to the least amount of wars in any century since WW2. But his platform of deescalation and his plans for american foregin diplomac…

The amount of people who act like Obama is a war monger without understanding the situation he found himself in is shockingly high, especially on a website like this with its supposedly "educated" people.

Losing the TPP (Minus the IP parts)/Asia Pivot and the focus away from Nuclear Non Proliferation are terrifying. Obama is directly the reason why Myanmar had its democracy for as long as it did, and most people in South East Asia have not found anyone nearly as inspirational as him from America since 2016 and likely won't for awhile longer.

Obama was awesome, and his legacy has been unfairly malingered. He was not the "warmonger" president that revisionists like to portray him as.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by ilya_m »

seanhunter wrote: post #334
moelf wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it already had, bottom-quark tagging has improved O(10)x in efficiency in the last decade without any new "physics" understanding, just from training with more low-level data and better ML arch (now using Transformers) but we haven't found new physics with or without ML, making this prize a little weird.

I sort of agree in principle but in practise they've always taken a broad view. Kissinger was one of the most prominent disrupters of world peace in the postwar era but that didn't stop him winning the peace prize. Churchill won the literature prize for defeating Hitler. The blue led guys a few years back didn't do much except make a thing that would go on every single consumer gadget and disrupt my sleep but they wo…

I would add to this list Bernard Russel who won the Nobel in literature for being a public intellectual.

Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

Maxatar wrote: post #272
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Laypeople needs a simple way to know who's who in advanced research fields, without Nobel prices (or any other commitee) we don't get to have that. I think first you're underestimating "laypeople" which seems to include many scientists who are not physicists, and second you are forgetting that many of the scientists the "lay" public knows as the greatest of all times never received a Nobel, or any other famous pri…

Einstein received the Nobel prize: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/1921/summary/

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Re: Nobel Prize in Physics awarded to John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton [pdf]

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Post by uoaei »

dev1ycan wrote: post #506

You can't take this back, this literally just discredited the only nobel that actually mattered, great job discrediting the nobel.

This is an appropriate application of this prize considering the adage that there are now three pillars to science, the third being simulation (after theory and experiment).

Also, many of the underlying theories in machine learning display deep analogy with physical laws we are already familiar with, e.g., thermodynamics.

Machine learning is much bigger than chatbots.

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